2014 Free Agency Rumors and or Speculation

[pbmax]

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texans sign chris clemons, last legitimate free agent safety that TT had no intention of bringing in to help our shit safety play

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-safety-help/

I'm a little annoyed and will be moreso if the Texans got a favorable contract.

Just another refernce to the money...and more today from msn

Jackson upset the Eagles when he lobbied for a new contact shortly after they were eliminated in the playoffs. His departure leaves the Eagles with Riley Cooper and Jeremy Maclin as the starting wide receivers.

Found it: http://www.csnphilly.com/football-ph...o-his-contract

OK, you are off the crazy list. And this makes more sense than having a murder suspect on your record label as a reason to dump him. He also changed his agent, from Rosenhaus to Joel Segal.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Do people think Micah Hyde can be a starting safety? I know there was a lot of sentiment on this board for the Packers to move him last year, but he's not getting much of a mention. I'm thinking Thompson doesn't reach at safety. If he can find value (e.g. safety is BPA), then he'll do it. Otherwise, I think they roll with Hyde. I was a proponent of the move when it was brought up during the season. Not necessarily during the year since I don't think he trained at safety much, but for this year.

[vince]

Yeah I think Hyde can play safety. He can run - enough. He can play the ball. He can come up into the box when needed to support the run. He can blitz. He can tackle. He can cover in the slot. The only thing we haven't seen him do is cover over the top. I'm thinking he can do what McMillan couldn't do and turn his hips to run with the deep route without falling on his ass. He's fluid. He's a player who has the ability to force the action and I think he'll be able to cover over the top by keeping people in front and getting up and after the ball when it comes his way. I also think Richardson has a chance at safety. Plus there's a good possibility of upgrading the position through the draft.

My concern with the defensive backfield is if/when Tramon or Shields get hurt. I don't have a lot of faith in House after seeing his sometimes lackadaisical effort both in coverage and supporting the run last year. With Hyde at safety and Hayward in the slot (who I don't think are outside corners anyway), the Packers are razor thin behind Williams and Shields on the outside.

[call_me_ishmael]

Do people think Micah Hyde can be a starting safety? I know there was a lot of sentiment on this board for the Packers to move him last year, but he's not getting much of a mention. I'm thinking Thompson doesn't reach at safety. If he can find value (e.g. safety is BPA), then he'll do it. Otherwise, I think they roll with Hyde. I was a proponent of the move when it was brought up during the season. Not necessarily during the year since I don't think he trained at safety much, but for this year.

I think it's a bad idea to roll the dice like that. Shoulda signed JByrd. It's not like he would cost them anymore than they'd be paying Nick da pick right now if he was healthy. Both would be the top 2 paid safeties. I don't buy into "home town" discounts.

[Joemailman]

Yeah I think Hyde can play safety. He can run - enough. He can play the ball. He can come up into the box when needed to support the run. He can blitz. He can tackle. He can cover in the slot. The only thing we haven't seen him do is cover over the top. I'm thinking he can do what McMillan couldn't do and turn his hips to run with the deep route without falling on his ass. He's fluid. He's a player who has the ability to force the action and I think he'll be able to cover over the top by keeping people in front and getting up and after the ball when it comes his way. I also think Richardson has a chance at safety. Plus there's a good possibility of upgrading the position through the draft.

My concern with the defensive backfield is if/when Tramon or Shields get hurt. I don't have a lot of faith in House after seeing his sometimes lackadaisical effort both in coverage and supporting the run last year. With Hyde at safety and Hayward in the slot (who I don't think are outside corners anyway), the Packers are razor thin behind Williams and Shields on the outside.

Welcome back Vince!

I wish we knew which House we're going to get. The House of brick or the House of cards.

[vince]

Thanks Joe. Excuse me for stereotyping but House plays too often at noon like he's coming down from his morning high. Not encouraging to me. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go Cleditus on us this year. Hope I'm wrong obviously.

[pbmax]

Tramontana-Shields-Hayward(hammy)-House-Bush plus Jumal Rolle, James Nixon and Antonio Dennard is not exactly stacked unless Hayward is healthy AND House plays well. Hyde, as M3 seemed to indicate, seems ticketed for only limited snaps at safety.

And I don't assume Hyde can play safety. We speculate about this all the time and fondly remember Butler doing it, but more have failed trying to make this switch than have succeeded. McCarthy said the plan for him to play all 3 downs and one of the roles could be safety. They called Bulaga to tell him he was playing RT. This doesn't sound like a position change to me.

As for House, he needs to start, or at least play regularly before we'll know if all the variability in his play is technique/talent or just rust at this point. His play versus the 49ers wasn't terrible, he didn't blow any coverages I remember and generally was able to stay with Crabtree, but he made no plays on the ball. And that was what he used to do well. Problem is if Hayward is healthy, he isn't going to get regular snaps. And it will be at least one year before Williams is gone.

[mraynrand]

^ Packers need a corner in the draft.

[Joemailman]

Tramontana-Shields-Hayward(hammy)-House-Bush plus Jumal Rolle, James Nixon and Antonio Dennard is not exactly stacked unless Hayward is healthy AND House plays well. Hyde, as M3 seemed to indicate, seems ticketed for only limited snaps at safety.

If Hyde is only ticketed for limited snaps as Safety, how does that work with MM's statement that Hyde needs to be an every down player if Hayward is healthy?

"I got to a point in the season where Micah was standing on the sidelines too much. He's a good football player and I thought he deserved the opportunity to compete to play.

[red]

^ Packers need a corner in the draft.

another CB, won't help fix the secondary, we already have a lot of talent there. until we fix the safety play by finding 1 or 2 new starting safeties, the secondary is still going to give up massive amounts of yards

HOWEVER

tramon is in the last year of his contract, and hayward might not come back from his injury, and hyde might be shoved into the safety role which he may or may not be able to make work. so i can see cb as a need in the draft

[red]

If Hyde is only ticketed for limited snaps as Safety, how does that work with MM's statement that Hyde needs to be an every down player if Hayward is healthy?

maybe he means that he thought hyde played better then tramon and that maybe hyde will take over the starter role from tramon?

maybe it was a shot at tramon to start playing every game, not just the last 3 of the season, or he will be replaced?

[mraynrand]

Red, you draft mostly for a year and two down the road. Most draft picks won't step in as starters; many struggle to get in as spot players.

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Red, you draft mostly for a year and two down the road. Most draft picks won't step in as starters; many struggle to get in as spot players.

thats the problem with the draft only approach (or the draft only 95% of the time approach this year), you do need your rookies to start, and you usually need 2 or 3 of them to start each year

we don't have a starting quality TE- we need to get one in the draft

we don't have a starting safety- we need to draft one

we only have 1 starting quality ILB- we need to draft another one

we might need a new starting FB- that would be another rookie

yes, in theory, you'd like to draft guys to be starters a couple years down the road. the way we do things, we don't have that luxury imo

[mraynrand]

thats the problem with the draft only approach (or the draft only 95% of the time approach this year), you do need your rookies to start, and you usually need 2 or 3 of them to start each year

we don't have a starting quality TE- we need to get one in the draft

we don't have a starting safety- we need to draft one

we only have 1 starting quality ILB- we need to draft another one

we might need a new starting FB- that would be another rookie

yes, in theory, you'd like to draft guys to be starters a couple years down the road. the way we do things, we don't have that luxury imo

When the Packers had injuries, Bacteria and Franklin started. Lacy was a starter from day one, and D. Jones was essentially a starter in the 2-4 sub package. Packers make good use of their draft picks, more than other teams. Still, they have to draft for the future: You could argue that Bacteria (tackle to replace Barclay), Tretter (center), Hyde (corner), Barrington (LB), and Franklin (RB), were all picks for the future, but were pressed into more service due to injury. That's drafting for the future and depth.

Packers have starting safeties, you (and others) just don't like them very much.
Packers have starting TEs (Scoreless and they like Bostick)


Packers will draft receivers - maybe WR and TE, corner, safety and probably d lineman to do exactly what their 2013 class did: push the current group, challenge for starting position, provide depth, and prepare for the future. Given how thin they are a couple of spots, wouldn't be surprising to see a couple start and another 1 or 2 play significant snaps. Drafting for the future isn't a luxury, it's a necessity; and the future for the Packers is usually this year, when all their players get hurt!

[Rutnstrut]

thats the problem with the draft only approach (or the draft only 95% of the time approach this year), you do need your rookies to start, and you usually need 2 or 3 of them to start each year

we don't have a starting quality TE- we need to get one in the draft

we don't have a starting safety- we need to draft one

we only have 1 starting quality ILB- we need to draft another one

we might need a new starting FB- that would be another rookie

yes, in theory, you'd like to draft guys to be starters a couple years down the road. the way we do things, we don't have that luxury imo

Don't forget, they don't have a starting center either.