Shield's testing the market

[Guiness]

Looks the Packers weren't able to get Sam Shield's signature, and he's testing the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/sam-shields-will-test-the-market/

It would be really bad to lose him. Found and developed from a UDFA...

Personally, I think this means he's as good as gone, as we've talked about here before, TT sets his price and it seems to be a take it or leave it offer. It's likely some other team will offer more for this young talented player. The Pack's best chance to sign him was during the season.

[pbmax]

Might be interesting. Packers clearly don't think of him as a number one if the contract numbers being bandied about are accurate. So the tag seems unlikely. But the rest of the League has money to burn.

[denverYooper]

Rosencrantz is just playing the game.

[pbmax]

Stupid combine.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 1h
Increase in the cap and interest from other teams at combine definitely affected Shields' demands. #Packers probably willing to do $6-7M per

[mraynrand]

aw shit

[red]

EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!

our shit secondary is about to get even worse

this is what happens what you sit on your ass for a month and a half instead of getting shit done ASAP. this deal should have been locked up months ago

DO NOT LET YOUR BETTER PLAYERS TEST FREE AGENCY

[ThunderDan]

EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!

our shit secondary is about to get even worse

this is what happens what you sit on your ass for a month and a half instead of getting shit done ASAP. this deal should have been locked up months ago

DO NOT LET YOUR BETTER PLAYERS TEST FREE AGENCY

Hmmmm, how did that work out in the Raji case?

We did negotiate with Sam during the season and couldn't get anything done. I wouldn't be surprised if TT, as in the past, said to SS you go out and get an offer and we will match it.

[red]

what? raji is the exact opposite. a player who should not have been resigned that TT wet himself very early on trying to get to resign and ended up throwing all kinds of ungodly money towards him, we're just lucky raji and his agent are stupid as shit

telling a player to go out and find the best offer you can and we'll match it is about as dumb as you can get, you let every other team in the NFL dictate just how much you are gonna pay your players

if you're not going to start locking these guys up with a year to go on their deal, and you're gonna keep playing this stupid game of chicken with free agency, then just trade the damn players and get something in return

[Smeefers]

Yeah, matching offers is a pretty poor way to run a business. He's going to generate interest and he's going to get paid. There's no way SS is this years JJ.

[KYPack]

I was about to make a post that I thought SS would get a deal from us and that would tap our kitty for any other signings.

Well, I was wrong, but nobody wudda known if I hadn't made this post.

McGinn (don't get started now people) said that he thought Pickett would get a couple year deal.

He also said that word around combine was that Neal would get a deal from several suitors, with AZ in the lead.

Who knows, but some things should start breaking loose soon

[SMBASS]

I would have never thrown 8 mil a year at Raji to begin with. Between the two I would have put my signing priority on Shields before Raji. Sam has had some ups and downs while learning a new position at the pro level and some of Raji's problems may stem from being misused as Wist contends, but looking from the outside in over the course of the 2012 and 2013 seasons I would have rated Shields as an ascending player and Raji as a descending player. I also put more of an emphasis on the CB position than Raji's DE/DT position. Just my opinion.

I also agree that I don't like the idea of letting other teams enter into setting the bar for how much you have to pay to retain someone I deem as an important player.

[red]

what happens if a team like dallas or washington comes in and offers him a huge contract with a lot of funny money in the last 3 years?

two years ago the game branden carr a 5 year 50 million dollar deal, its actually a 2 year 12 million dollar deal, where the cowboys can now cut him without too much of a penalty

washington two years ago gave josh morgan a 5 year 32 million dollar deal. the team had an option to opt out of the last three years that they used as soon as they could. the deal turned out to be a 2 year, 11 million dollar deal

TT doesn't do a lot of funny money deals, so if we end up matching a 5 year 40 or 50 million dollar deal that someone else has offered, then we're probably going to be on the hook for a whole hell of a lot more money then the other team would have been

[red]

McGinn (don't get started now people) said that he thought Pickett would get a couple year deal.

from us, or from someone else?

i wouldn't mind bringing the big guy back, even if he is on the downside of his career, jolly too

[Patler]

The Packers should have signed him......
The Packers can't let other teams......
The Packers....
The Packers...
The Packers....

It takes two to make an agreement. Rosenhaus is a good agent. For low to average players, he tends to complete deals early. For better players, he completes deals early when a team is willing to make a truly outstanding offer, otherwise he pushes the FA advantage as far as he can.

I think Shields is worth a good contract, not sure he is worth the kind of contract it would have taken to get him signed early with Rosenhaus as his agent. This might still work out for GB, with Rosenhaus dragging it on to the last minutes leading into free agency before agreeing to terms. If it goes to free agency and Shields signs somewhere for a huge deal, Rosenhaus will have done his job, but in my opinion the Packers might have, too, if he signs for more than what seems reasonable. If he signs a moderate contract elsewhere, then I will think the Packers botched the negotiation.

Maybe the Packers are unreasonable in what they offered, maybe not.
Maybe Shields is unreasonable in what he thinks he is worth, maybe not.
Time might tell us, or it might not.

[SMBASS]

The Packers should have signed him......
The Packers can't let other teams......
The Packers....
The Packers...
The Packers....

It takes two to make an agreement. Rosenhaus is a good agent. For low to average players, he tends to complete deals early. For better players, he completes deals early when a team is willing to make a truly outstanding offer, otherwise he pushes the FA advantage as far as he can.

I think Shields is worth a good contract, not sure he is worth the kind of contract it would have taken to get him signed early with Rosenhaus as his agent. This might still work out for GB, with Rosenhaus dragging it on to the last minutes leading into free agency before agreeing to terms. If it goes to free agency and Shields signs somewhere for a huge deal, Rosenhaus will have done his job, but in my opinion the Packers might have, too, if he signs for more than what seems reasonable. If he signs a moderate contract elsewhere, then I will think the Packers botched the negotiation.

Maybe the Packers are unreasonable in what they offered, maybe not.
Maybe Shields is unreasonable in what he thinks he is worth, maybe not.
Time might tell us, or it might not.

That's a pretty good way to put it Patler. Then no matter what happens, in hindsight you can't be wrong! No matter what, you're always taking some type of chance in these negotiations and there's never a sure thing because you're betting on future production. Injuries or a million other things can derail the actual outcome. My only point was that I would have put more of a priority on trying to re-sign Sam and I would have used some of the money they were throwing at Raji to do it. Does it guarantee that a deal would have been imminent? Absolutely not. It's a crapshoot and who ended up getting the better deal usually isn't known until a couple of years into the contract. Heck you could sign Sam for 8 mil a year now, (Or whatever number.) and 2 years from now that could look like a steal or it could look like a horrible decision. Nobody knows for sure and all of our opinions are based on pure speculation with the limited amount of knowledge we have regarding the situation.