Shield's testing the market

[Patler]

you guys give agents way too much credit, and must think all negotiations are moral and honest

agents don't give a shit about teams or being buddy-buddy with anyone, they're out to get as much money possible for them and their clients

by any means necessary

and by saying, the agent "can't act like that because it would ruin him in the eyes of all other teams, no one will trust him". give me a break. the agents have the talent. if you want the talent, you have to deal with the agent

One of the things I think you are forgetting about is that there are lots of contracts, relatively few agents and even fewer team negotiators. There are only a few players that aren't fungible commodities, so there are more players than available contracts. Agents who lie, procrastinate and otherwise obstruct negotiations won't last long because they won't get things done and teams will simply move on to the next agent who has a similar player. There is always another one out there.

I don't know about now, but a few years ago Rosenhaus had a tremendous number of players, and did most of the negotiations himself. He can do that only if he moves quickly, zeros in on the common ground if it exists and finishes it off. If he and the team differ significantly, no sense wasting anyone's times, find a way to resolve it, which might mean FA.

[The Shadow]

I would franchise him. Some players just earn my respect by their big plays against the Bears - and Shields is one of them. Remember his interception to close the NFC championship at Soldier Field for us? Those kinds of plays in super crunch time can't be overestimated.
I would open the purse strings.

[Joemailman]

I think the franchise tag is the worst option. You end up overpaying him for one year and pissing him off at the same time. Shields is a good player, but he's not one of the top 5 CB's in the NFL. There are likely going to be several UFA CB's as good as Shields who might actually be a better fit for what the Packers do defensively (ie, good zone players). There are also about 10 CB's considered good enough to be drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. So, TT has other options if Shields wants to go elsewhere.

[Bretsky]

Yeah, matching offers is a pretty poor way to run a business. He's going to generate interest and he's going to get paid. There's no way SS is this years JJ.

ALLEN ROSSUM.........Rossum told GB he would go otu and come back and allow them to match any offer he received

And then he went out, got his offer, and did not honor his word to come back to us and instead signed with the other team

[RashanGary]

im ok with risking losing shields vs paying whatever it takes. There is only so much salary cap space. Its one of the acting laws of the current system, something that has to be heeded or the price will be paid. Function out of fear and desperation as Red seems to be doing and I dont think good things will come. Its best to pay attention to the way things are, the truth, and to do your best within the governing system, then let the chips fall where they may.

i hear people calling Teds approach of having value set on playes worth as being rigid and stupid. I call it sound and wise. Time will tell who has a more accurate understanding of the dynamics of building an NFL team. I have a somewhat strong mind and some confidence. I'd bet on me, and with that, id bet on ted and his Packers but ive been wrong before too

[Bretsky]

I think that in the end TT signs Shields

[RashanGary]

I think that in the end TT signs Shields

I kind of have that hunch too. I think rosenhaus is doing his due dilligence by using the market to raise the bar as high as possible. I think Shields likes it here and will come back if the Packers are close. Just a hunch. I dont think Shields is as highly regarded as Greg Jennings. He has weaknesses in his game that he'll pay for. I suspect the price wont be outrageous, but if it is, we'll be fine without him too.

[woodbuck27]

I think that in the end TT signs Shields

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense if he doesn't but if I'm San Shields and chasing the TT merry-go-round I'm royally pissed off. There is little reason why TT has to risk losing SS in Free Agency.

It's not too late for your prediction to come true B.

Tomorrow is Mon. 3 March 2014 and it's still eight more days until FA opens on March 11, 2014. I don't want it to get down to that and Sam Shield's agent shopping him because the risk is there that he could get snapped up.

It's this silent treatment in Green Bay that has to be disconcerting and IMO smacks of disregard /disrespect.

Maybe TT is looking at this draft as being reportedly by some. As one of the deepest drafts in decades. Maybe TT wants to keep the team really young but really young isn't necessarily what we need for a Super Bowl. We need talent and experience.

We don't need street level FA's and secondary college draft picks that 'only' Green Bay Packer Scouts and Ted Thompson are licking their lips over.

We need decent common sense.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

ALLEN ROSSUM.........Rossum told GB he would go otu and come back and allow them to match any offer he received

And then he went out, got his offer, and did not honor his word to come back to us and instead signed with the other team

The only person reporting the Packers asking for a chance to match the best offer is red.

There is a simple, fundamental disagreement over his market value. They have been talking for 2 weeks, that much is clear.

[ThunderDan]

It's this silent treatment in Green Bay that has to be disconcerting and IMO smacks of disregard /disrespect.

GO PACK GO !

How do you know the Packers aren't talking to Shields and Rosenhaus every day? You have no idea. The only person talking about disrespect on this board is you.

[woodbuck27]

The only person reporting the Packers asking for a chance to match the best offer is red.

There is a simple, fundamental disagreement over his market value. They have been talking for 2 weeks, that much is clear.

The more I think about this the more obvious it is that TT has to get Sam Shields signed.

TT has to consider the impact of losing Sam Shields in FA and the Packers locker room.

TT can't let them all walk.

It makes good sense to re-sign Sam Shields, ED-S and Mike Neal or those I feel are among the most important to be retained.

We're not going to win another Super Bowl anytime soon with "a great bean counter" as a GM.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

How do you know the Packers aren't talking to Shields and Rosenhaus every day? You have no idea. The only person talking about disrespect on this board is you.

Funny you should mention talking as of six days ago ...

Drew Rosenhaus, who represents Shields, met face-to-face with the Packers with the hope the sides could work out a deal before Shields became a free agent on March 11, according to a league source.

No deal was completed, but the source described the negotiations as "ongoing." The sides are expected to be in regular communication over the next several weeks.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10511740/sam-shields-green-bay-packers-attempting-complete-deal

[woodbuck27]

How do you know the Packers aren't talking to Shields and Rosenhaus every day? You have no idea. The only person talking about disrespect on this board is you.

Does that bother you?

[red]

The only person reporting the Packers asking for a chance to match the best offer is red.

There is a simple, fundamental disagreement over his market value. They have been talking for 2 weeks, that much is clear.

i didn't say that, someone else did, i said it was stupid if thats what tt is doing

i'm of the opinion that as soon as free agency opens, SS is as good as gone

its also my opinion that they should have been working at signing him for at least a year now, not just the last 2 weeks

[ThunderDan]

i didn't say that, someone else did, i said it was stupid if thats what tt is doing

i'm of the opinion that as soon as free agency opens, SS is as good as gone

its also my opinion that they should have been working at signing him for at least a year now, not just the last 2 weeks

The packers tried to sign him long-term after the 2012 season. There was talk that Shields was going to hold out for 2013 training camp. In the end Shields made a 1 year bet by signing the RFA offer.