Shield's testing the market

[wist43]

maybe that's how they all got injured

Fold a crisp dollar bill into an airplane - you could poke an eye out?? Maybe they got all the strains and sprains when diving out of the way of the currency projectiles??

[Packgator]

Grimes signed a multi-year deal. One less guy on market, one less team in market.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 11m
Interested to see terms. Will speak to Shields' worth #Packers @bgrimey21 signs multi-year deal with @miamidolphins pic.twitter.com/s048QjGNjC

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 24m
Will be curious to see final terms of Brent Grimes deal with the #Dolphins. Last I heard they were discussing a three-year deal worth $21M.

Other reports say the final deal is for 4 years.

It's looking like Grimes got 4 years at 32 million.

[pbmax]

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty 1h
No surprise, but not much reason to think Packers will tag Shields. Source just said they've mentioned nothing about it to him or his agent

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty 1h
... cost likely prohibitive for them at $11.8 million tag tender for CBs

[pbmax]

Packer Twitterverse is predicting Shields will beat Grimes deal and secure $8-9 million per season. Problem is, they are discussing the funny money, overall numbers.

Silverstein with valid point that the problem in some CB contracts (mentions TJ but no idea who that is) is that half the money is "guaranteed". Points out that Williams, who will play out the contract got 1/3 guaranteed.

[mraynrand]

It's the time it takes to get to this last two week period that I'm referring to?

It's how I've come to know Ted Thompson and his challenge with procrastination.

A suggestion: If you disagree with simply keep that to yourself. let's agree to disagree. Disagreeing here on any matter isn't in the final outcome going to change the water on the beans. Why try to engage a fight and controversy when your never going to back me down. I never back down. I look very hard to see something and get it right. Let's simply agree to disagree with me.


That's healthy all around (for Packerrats) and to go anywhere else is a reflection on "YOU" Bossman641 not me. really did you expect any other response from me. Would you be more pleased if I used a two word response as some and one member in particular does?

Bossman641 and anyone else (no need of names as your too obvious) that needs your ego stroked by lining up in concert Vs this packerrat:

Your not changing what I see and post here. If you ever imagine that might be... "your burning rubber" wrong.

As a member here I've every right that you do. Do I jump all over you as I often may disagree with you? No...

I choose to ignore some of your positions for the health of Packerrats so do the same and me please. Stop making it a personal mission to discredit me. That's a losing position and me. I see it my way and if that disagrees with your way deal with it in yourself. Don't go all "fetch the fricken' rope" on me. That's simple bullshit that you can or need to control bossman641

I feel I've always been mannerly with your ego needs. I might express this post with a concise "two word" response. I'm not sure that you and a few others here don't deserve "just that" !? Instead I again...offer this. The bottom line. I'm every bit the Packer fan that you are. I want, I expect, the same as you. A GM to get my team where I want to see it for all of Packer Nation. To where the Green Bay Packers are a legitimate Super bowl contender and not where it's been headed and getting worse for three straight seasons.

I don't support failure nor anything contributing towards such. I'm naturally analytical and I pay attention.

For the sake of all goodness. RELAX bossman641. This is getting embarrassing.

GO PACK GO !

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Packer Twitterverse is predicting Shields will beat Grimes deal and secure $8-9 million per season. Problem is, they are discussing the funny money, overall numbers.

Silverstein with valid point that the problem in some CB contracts (mentions TJ but no idea who that is) is that half the money is "guaranteed". Points out that Williams, who will play out the contract got 1/3 guaranteed.

tim jennings, bears CB. the guy who's deal is the only one shields agent mentioned when talking about what they were looking for a couple weeks ago

this deal

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/tim-jennings/

[Smeefers]

This whole debacle reminds me of last years Steven Jackson hub bub. TT was a fool for not paying whatever it took to get Jackson in the green and gold.

One player does not make this team.

Yes, SS is good. I wouldn't pay franchise tag cash for him though. I wouldn't call him a top 5 corner. Hell, I think Casey Hayward is a more complete corner than shields is.

SS is a playmaker, a solid man to man corner who has amazing burst and speed and who can cover guys like Johnson Jr. and Marshall. He's not a shut down corner by any means. He's in the "good not great" category and I think he should be paid as such. There's a limit to what you pay those guys. Just because we have the cap room doesn't mean Shields should get a blockbuster deal.

Especially if it costs us room to maneuver in free agency and get a player in a position that we actually need. hehehe, I kid I kid. We all know there's no free agent moves to be made.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck27, I asked you a question Woodbuck27. I thought you might have known something that I did not know Woodbuck27. Not every post is an attempt to discredit or take veiled shots at you. If Shields leaves for a reasonable offer I will be just as angry as you are.

Bossman641...Your repeating yourself. Try to stay cool.

I'm not now, nor will I ever get angry over such a matter and a former Packer (in reality) going elsewhere to better his life.

Why would I ever get angry over something I have zero control over? I see the Sam Shields situation as simply Sam Shields trying to be maxed out in control of his life...period.

I see this situation and a valuable CB for us as simply he and his agent and TT and the Packer contract negotiator somehow NOT on the same page. I'm simply a Packer fan. I simply make observations and have feelings.

It's really just that simple.

GO PACK GO !

[wist43]

tim jennings, bears CB. the guy who's deal is the only one shields agent mentioned when talking about what they were looking for a couple weeks ago

this deal

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/tim-jennings/

If that's the deal they're looking for - then TT is just being cheap. Shields will get that deal in a heartbeat on the open market.

Throwing money at our defense is a waste of resources though. We were junk with Shields - who is a pretty damn good player.

If guys like Raji, Neal, and Shields can all escape... good for them.

[3irty1]

Shields is a fine player but most of that value comes from being able to defend the particularly dangerous class of receivers who make a career out running deep fade routes. Take that away and he's pretty average given his struggles against more physical recievers. Boldin and Garcon could get open at will against Shields just by shoving him around. Nobody bit on that 2nd round tender of his for a reason. If I'm Ted no way do I overpay for Sam Shields. "He's the closest thing we have to a playmaker in the secondary" is not an excuse. Sam Shields does not get rewarded for the incompetence of others, you've got to pay him on his own merit. If the rest are really expected to suck the answer is to make it rain pink slips back there and go shopping in FA. 7M per year buys a look at guys who are better than Sam Shields and there are a few of them out there.

That said, I'm guessing Ted will make this happen. There is absolutely no reason for Sam not to wait until the deadline and use all the leverage he has. His best offer will come next week period. Dude's got our logo tattooed on his neck, he's coming back.

[mraynrand]

7M per year buys a look at guys who are better than Sam Shields and there are a few of them out there.

Serious question: Who did you have in mind?

[pbmax]

Shields is a fine player but most of that value comes from being able to defend the particularly dangerous class of receivers who make a career out running deep fade routes. Take that away and he's pretty average given his struggles against more physical recievers. Boldin and Garcon could get open at will against Shields just by shoving him around. Nobody bit on that 2nd round tender of his for a reason. If I'm Ted no way do I overpay for Sam Shields. "He's the closest thing we have to a playmaker in the secondary" is not an excuse. Sam Shields does not get rewarded for the incompetence of others, you've got to pay him on his own merit. If the rest are really expected to suck the answer is to make it rain pink slips back there and go shopping in FA. 7M per year buys a look at guys who are better than Sam Shields and there are a few of them out there.

That said, I'm guessing Ted will make this happen. There is absolutely no reason for Sam not to wait until the deadline and use all the leverage he has. His best offer will come next week period. Dude's got our logo tattooed on his neck, he's coming back.

He also does well on deep crossing and in routes. His closing speed really helps there.

[pbmax]

If that's the deal they're looking for - then TT is just being cheap. Shields will get that deal in a heartbeat on the open market.

Throwing money at our defense is a waste of resources though. We were junk with Shields - who is a pretty damn good player.

If guys like Raji, Neal, and Shields can all escape... good for them.

The Jennings comparison is tough now because the cap went up and Rosenhaud trumpeted multiple interest. Could be a smoke screen, could just be noise.

But the stumbling block with the Jennings comparable was the guaranteed money. It encompassed half the contract.

[Fritz]

You can't blame Shields for wanting a big pay day, GB tattoo or no. If he signs with an NFC North team, he can just say it's there to remind him of what a big rival GB is.

You can't blame the Packers for not just throwing money at the guy. They may yet spend a chunk of change on him, but in this league now you can't really afford to overpay players, or at least I don't think you can afford that.

There's also much we don't know. Does the guy have the urge to get better and better, or did he go to the Cletidus Hunt school of "take the money and sit"? Does he want to live and stay in GB? How much better can he become as a tackler?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

You don't pay Shields more than 7 million/year, he simple isn't worth that. He's a good player, but by no means great. We've made the playoffs five straight seasons, and if it wasn't for the defense sucking 4/5 of those years we might have at least one more title. We don't have any blue chip players on defense expect Matthews since 2011. Only elite players sign contracts worth 8-9 million/year or higher. If thats what he's asking for I'm with TT on this one. If Shields, Raji, Finely, or anyone else isn't willing to except a fair contract offer, then front load Cobb, Nelson, and maybe even Bulagas (if healthy) contract now. Any left over money use to sign and front load a good free agent. Then focus on the draft.