Packer Playcalling Balance

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Mike Applesauce posted a Tweet today about whether the emergence of Eddie Lacy would presage a shift in the Packer run to pass ratio next year.

He posted that in 2013 it was 57.3 to 42.7, the second most run friendly ratio in his tenure. 2008 it was 56.8 to 43.2

I responded that it was perhaps self defeating to bring Rodgers back APRH, and then pass less than you did with the Wallace/Tolzien/Flynn Triangle Quarterback. Because I am a smart aleck and was hoping he would panic respond. No such luck.

However, you COULD imagine a scenario where Rodgers slings the ball around per normal, gets a lead and McCarthy, perhaps smartly, engages the 4 minute offense early. They could also be down Finley and Jones.

What say you, pass more this year, or less?



Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 4h
#Packers' pass-run ratio in 2013 was 57.3% to 42.7%. Only once before under McCarthy, in 2008, did they pass less often: 56.8% to 43.2%.

[3irty1]

I'm still a proponent of the idea that in a good offense, the better you are at running the less you have to do it. Lacy will run just enough to keep play action open and the pass rush honest which should be less than last year.

[mraynrand]

Obviously they will pass more because they have a great QB and it's a league that favors passing. But they should mix it up a lot, since they saw pretty good success in the run game against 6 man fronts.

The loss of Jones and Finley shouldn't hurt too much, especially since Boykin is pretty close to Jones and I suspect TT will pick an offensive weapon pretty high in the draft.

[bobblehead]

Mike Applesauce posted a Tweet today about whether the emergence of Eddie Lacy would presage a shift in the Packer run to pass ratio next year.

He posted that in 2013 it was 57.3 to 42.7, the second most run friendly ratio in his tenure. 2008 it was 56.8 to 43.2

I responded that it was perhaps self defeating to bring Rodgers back APRH, and then pass less than you did with the Wallace/Tolzien/Flynn Triangle Quarterback. Because I am a smart aleck and was hoping he would panic respond. No such luck.

However, you COULD imagine a scenario where Rodgers slings the ball around per normal, gets a lead and McCarthy, perhaps smartly, engages the 4 minute offense early. They could also be down Finley and Jones.

What say you, pass more this year, or less?



Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 4h
#Packers' pass-run ratio in 2013 was 57.3% to 42.7%. Only once before under McCarthy, in 2008, did they pass less often: 56.8% to 43.2%.

You left out "about the same" which is what i believe. We struck a nice balance last year that would have been awesome if ARod had stayed healthy.

[red]

i agree with the "about the same as last year" idea

[MadtownPacker]

Pass heavily the first half, grind that shit in the second half.

[Freak Out]

With the acquisition of thug Jackson they'll be throwing the ball all over the place now.

[Joemailman]

Mike Applesauce posted a Tweet today about whether the emergence of Eddie Lacy would presage a shift in the Packer run to pass ratio next year.

He posted that in 2013 it was 57.3 to 42.7, the second most run friendly ratio in his tenure. 2008 it was 56.8 to 43.2

I responded that it was perhaps self defeating to bring Rodgers back APRH, and then pass less than you did with the Wallace/Tolzien/Flynn Triangle Quarterback. Because I am a smart aleck and was hoping he would panic respond. No such luck.

However, you COULD imagine a scenario where Rodgers slings the ball around per normal, gets a lead and McCarthy, perhaps smartly, engages the 4 minute offense early. They could also be down Finley and Jones.

What say you, pass more this year, or less?



Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 4h
#Packers' pass-run ratio in 2013 was 57.3% to 42.7%. Only once before under McCarthy, in 2008, did they pass less often: 56.8% to 43.2%.

Just a few more numbers. In the first 3 games of the year, the Packers were fairly unbalanced, the pass/run ratio being 63-37%. For the rest of the year it was 54-46. If this was due to Lacy becoming more established, it could point to more running this year.

By the way, the Packers actually threw the ball a slightly greater percentage with Rodgers out of the lineup. Perhaps this just reflects a tendency to be behind more with Rodgers out of the lineup.

[mraynrand]

Just a few more numbers. In the first 3 games of the year, the Packers were fairly unbalanced, the pass/run ratio being 63-37%. For the rest of the year it was 54-46. If this was due to Lacy becoming more established, it could point to more running this year.

By the way, the Packers actually threw the ball a slightly greater percentage with Rodgers out of the lineup. Perhaps this just reflects a tendency to be behind more with Rodgers out of the lineup.

The Packers can be really effective passing, even if the numbers aren't that high, especially if Stubby sticks to his same pattern of looking for touchdown, deep out, then check down last. At Dallas, the Packers ran 27 times for 150 and passed 39 times for 300. Because they were playing catch up you'd think it would have been even more 'unbalanced.' Packers can get big plays in both the pass and run game, mostly the passing game, so I'm guessing the play ratio isn't so accurate a measure of where the emphasis is.

[Brandon494]

Balanced attack of course, what kinda question is that? Keep the defense guessing and sets up play action. We also have two quality backs with Lacy and Stacks to pound the rock unlike in the past when we were loaded at WR and had no RBs.

[Fritz]

Since Rodgers's Achilles heel is that two-deep zone, I wonder if continued passing struggles against that look would force McStubby to run Lacey more often, earlier, to try to force defenses out of that look.

As I've said elsewhere and before, I wish Rodgers would learn how to check down a little faster against that look. There always seem to be a handful of plays in a game in which, against that look, Rodgers bypasses a wide open Kuhn/Lacey/Starks standing in the middle of the field, five yards away from the LOS, nobody else near.

[Zool]

Also, can we rename Starks/Franklin/Harris to Cagney? I would LOVE to have Cagney and Lacy in the backfield.

[mraynrand]

Also, can we rename Starks/Franklin/Harris to Cagney? I would LOVE to have Cagney and Lacy in the backfield.

It's a MAN, baby!

[mraynrand]

The kind of backfield that wants to steamroll your ass!

[Pugger]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20140401/PKR01/304010440/Pieces-place-make-offense-even-more-potent

MM has in the past been pretty even as far as run vs pass but until we got Lacy the run didn't produce decent results so it appeared like all we did was pass. I think out offense in 2014 will be more potent because we now have a legit runner that defenses have to respect. If both Lacy and Rodgers stay healthy this should be a fun season.