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  • #1

    Draft: WRs

    Good draft with solid depth. I'm not sure it's as deep as people say for what Thompson looks for in a WR. There seems to be an overabundance of short, slot type WRs.

    Packer traits: Outside of Randall Cobb, Thompson's WRs have been 5'11" to 6'3". Outside of Jarrett Boykin (UDFA), Thompson's WRs have had solid speed (4.54 or less in the 40), decent SAA (combination of speed, acceleration, and agility), and decent Explosion (vertical and broad jump). Outside of measurables, I'd say a Thompson WR also has to have decent route running.

    My top 20 WRs:
    1 Sammy Watkins - reminds me of Sterling Sharpe
    2 Mike Evans - I'm not quite as high on him as others, but still have him at #2
    3 Odell Beckham - reminds me of Greg Jennings
    4 Brandin Cooks - reminds me of DeSean Jackson
    5 Marqise Lee - I'm not quite as high on him as others (2nd round grade), but still have him at #5.
    6 Jordan Matthews - reminds me of Jordy Nelson
    7 Davante Adams
    8 Cody Latimer
    9 Donte Moncrief
    10 Kelvin Benjamin
    11 Allen Robinson
    12 Martavis Bryant
    13 Bruce Ellington
    14 Jarvis Landry
    15 Paul Richardson
    16 Dri Archer
    17 Kevin Norwood
    18 Devin Street
    19 Jared Abbrederis
    20 Brandon Coleman

    Other later round guys that I like are T.J. Jones, Josh Huff, and Shaquelle Evans (reminds me of James Jones). I couldn't find highlights for two guys that I liked on measurables (Torrence Allen and Kevin Smith).

    The WRs in this draft that fit these criteria:
    Sammy Watkins, Odell Beckham, Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Cody Latimer, Donte Moncrief (although route running would be a question mark), Martavis Bryant (same on route running), Paul Richardson, Kevin Norwood, T.J. Jones, Josh Huff, Shaquelle Evans, Mike Davis, Matt Hazel, Kevin Smith. Davante Adams just misses out on 40 time, but I like him.
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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    like i've said in other threads, with there being so many good prospects at WR this year, i wouldn't jump on 1 in the first 2 rounds. i think theres going to be some very good prospects (like 2nd round quality) that are going to be had in the 3rd and 4th rounds

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    • #3
      The only two players i really looked closely att were beckham jr and cooks. Beckham is one of the most natural returners ive seen coming out. Id be shocked if hes not a great returner. As a receiver, Im not as certain. His route running seems ok, but weve had so much success with great route runners, im not so sure he excites me as much.

      Cooks, to me he's a truly special talent as a WR. Hes really not that small at 190. He has little jab steps and head fakes in his route running that show how comfortable with the game. Aaron Rodgers loves guys who know what they're doing and i think Cooks is a guy who really knows what hes doing. He has the best drop rate in this draft 4.1% (and to me, drop rate shows more than just hands, it shows the ball is coming where he expects it, when he expects it) so he's on the same page as his QB) and he has elite speed. He gets open all the time as his 1,700 yards would indicate and even when hes not, despite his size, he high points and wins competitive ball situations. When the ball is in the air he adjusts his body and makes great plays on the ball.

      To me, he's an elite player. Underneith, over the top and from the slot, he does everything well. hes not 170 lbs like desean jackson. He's much bigger and has been supremely durable.

      I think he'll be a great player in the NFL. i think he'd fit well with Aaron Rodgers and be a special big-play piece for our offense.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by red View Post
        like i've said in other threads, with there being so many good prospects at WR this year, i wouldn't jump on 1 in the first 2 rounds. i think theres going to be some very good prospects (like 2nd round quality) that are going to be had in the 3rd and 4th rounds
        I mean, seriously! There's plenty of talent available at WR, especially talent to be developed behind our current core guys.

        Check out Jeff Janis from Saginaw Valley State. He sort of reminds me of Charles Johnson from Grand Valley last year, who we unfortunately could not hold onto, as the Browns snagged him off the practice squad. Here is a profile of Janis, including highlight reel:

        http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1995830-jeff-janis-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-saginaw-valley-state-wr


        This is the kind of guy you could get late in the draft or as a priority free agent and develop him.

        That said, I'd take a Kevin Norwood in the late rounds too!

        If we were willing to spend a higher pick on WR, I'd love to see Jordan Matthews in a Packer uniform. I have ties to seeing Vandy games live and have watched him the last few years on a few occasions, and seen his games on TV. That dude can ball, and he's very bright. He also happens to be related to Jerry Rice: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-of-jerry-rice
        Last edited by Carolina_Packer; 05-04-2014, 10:59 PM.
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        • #5
          Looks like Janis will go around the 5th round now. It's funny that you mentioned Charles Johnson. When I watched Janis, that is who I thought of--which actually made me like him less. I had hopes for Johnson last year. He had measurables and he similarly dominated small college competition, but he didn't look that good once he got to camp.
          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
            The only two players i really looked closely att were beckham jr and cooks. Beckham is one of the most natural returners ive seen coming out. Id be shocked if hes not a great returner. As a receiver, Im not as certain. His route running seems ok, but weve had so much success with great route runners, im not so sure he excites me as much.

            Cooks, to me he's a truly special talent as a WR. Hes really not that small at 190. He has little jab steps and head fakes in his route running that show how comfortable with the game. Aaron Rodgers loves guys who know what they're doing and i think Cooks is a guy who really knows what hes doing. He has the best drop rate in this draft 4.1% (and to me, drop rate shows more than just hands, it shows the ball is coming where he expects it, when he expects it) so he's on the same page as his QB) and he has elite speed. He gets open all the time as his 1,700 yards would indicate and even when hes not, despite his size, he high points and wins competitive ball situations. When the ball is in the air he adjusts his body and makes great plays on the ball.

            To me, he's an elite player. Underneith, over the top and from the slot, he does everything well. hes not 170 lbs like desean jackson. He's much bigger and has been supremely durable.

            I think he'll be a great player in the NFL. i think he'd fit well with Aaron Rodgers and be a special big-play piece for our offense.
            Well said and I agree. There is a lot of depth in the WR pool this year but there isn't a lot of depth when it comes to great football players with track star speed. That list goes one guy deep. Beckham may be comparable but he doesn't have the quicks Cooks has. When you combine that kind of speed with physicality, aggressiveness, sharp route running, great hands and elite production you're looking at unique potential.

            That said, Rodgers can make a lot of guys fit in and be productive so there are a lot of guys from this draft can be added into the mix and help the offense.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
              Looks like Janis will go around the 5th round now. It's funny that you mentioned Charles Johnson. When I watched Janis, that is who I thought of--which actually made me like him less. I had hopes for Johnson last year. He had measurables and he similarly dominated small college competition, but he didn't look that good once he got to camp.
              Harv, it's impressive to watch them play against competition at their level, but unless they really stand out/dominate, it's probably not likely they make it, but worth a flyer. Don Beebe went to Chadron State and then played 9 years. Let's hope Janis is more like that. It helps that Beebe ran a 4.21 40 time. Good article on him: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...stern-illinois
              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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              • #8
                The Green Bay Packers have one shot at a Brandin Cooks. They must pick him (if he's available) with pick NO. 21.

                Otherwise ... the outstanding talented Brandin Cooks will be off the board by Pick NO. 23 (Kansas City) and certainly by pick NO. 28 ( Carolina).

                A large part of me now hopes that Brandin Cooks is TT's BPA at Pick NO. 21. If it's some other prospect and TT's board is solid that pick will be super.

                WR isn't among our priority needs.

                We have more pressing needs on defense at Safety (SS); ILB; DE/OLB and on offense ... TE and OL/center.
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                • #9
                  Green Bay Press-Gazette
                  http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20140503/PKR01/305030420/Packers-draft-preview-Top-wide-receivers?odyssey=obinsite


                  Packers draft preview: Top wide receivers

                  May 3, 2014

                  4. Brandin Cooks, Oregon State ** 5-9¾, 189, Round 1

                  ** Comment woodbuck27:

                  Is that or his height a concern and considering his talent?

                  If I was TT I'd ask myself this question:

                  How well did he compete with the best DB's in College?

                  " At the combine the junior draft entry had the second-fastest 40 (4.33 seconds) of all participants and the fastest short shuttle (3.81 seconds). Also had a 36-inch vertical. “You can see that 20(-yard) shuttle in the way he plays,” a second scout said. “He’s good on those option routes where they can get him the ball quickly in space." Fr. LINK
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                  • #10
                    Final Consensus Rankings of the 50 WRs I took a look at:

                    Code:
                    [B]CRk  Player               School                CRd   CPR[/B]
1    Sammy Watkins        Clemson               1     1-1
2    Mike Evans           Texas A&M             1     2-2
3    Odell Beckham        LSU                   1     3-3
4    Brandin Cooks        Oregon State          1-2   4-6
5    Marqise Lee          USC                   1-2   4-5
6    Cody Latimer         Indiana               1-3   6-10
7    Kelvin Benjamin      Florida State         1-2   5-13
8    Jordan Matthews      Vanderbilt            2-3   6-11
9    Davante Adams        Fresno State          2-3   7-11
10   Allen Robinson       Penn State            1-3   6-11
11   Donte Moncrief       Mississippi           2-4   8-16
12   Jarvis Landry        LSU                   2-4   8-14
13   Martavis Bryant      Clemson               2-4   12-14
14   Bruce Ellington      South Carolina        2-4   10-17
15   Paul Richardson      Colorado              3-4   14-15
16   Kevin Norwood        Alabama               3-6   16-23
17   Brandon Coleman      Rutgers               3-6   15-23
18   Jared Abbrederis     Wisconsin             3-6   16-29
19   Josh Huff            Oregon                4-6   17-23
20   Shaquelle Evans      UCLA                  3-6   15-26
21   T.J. Jones           Notre Dame            4-6   19-27
22   Robert Herron        Wyoming               3-7   17-31
23   Jeff Janis           Saginaw Valley State  4-6   19-27
24   Devin Street         Pittsburgh            4-6   20-32
25   Jalen Saunders       Oklahoma              4-7   19-37
26   Mike Davis           Texas                 5-7   22-31
27   Ryan Grant           Tulane                4-7   24-30
28   Matt Hazel           Coastal Carolina      5-7   22-31
29   L'Damian Washington  Missouri              5-7   24-33
30   John Brown           Pittsburg State (Ka)  5-7   21-36
31   Michael Campanaro    Wake Forest           5-7   26-32
32   Tevin Reese          Baylor                6-FA  28-39
33   Kain Colter          Northwestern          6-FA  24-46
34   Cody Hoffman         BYU                   7-FA  33-40
35   Chandler Jones       San Jose State        5-FA  25-46
36   Quincy Enunwa        Nebraska              7-FA  33-46
37   Damian Copeland      Louisville            5-FA  24-48
38   Solomon Patton       Florida               7-FA  35-42
39   Bennie Fowler        Michigan State        7-FA  35-43
40   Allen Hurns          Miami (Fla)           7-FA  37-44
41   Albert Wilson        Georgia State         7-FA  27-45
42   Isaiah Burse         Fresno State          6-FA  35-50
43   Torrence Allen       West Texas A&M        7-FA  32-50
44   Willie Snead         Ball State            7-FA  37-50
45   Austin Franklin      New Mexico State      7-FA  37-50
46   Eric Lora            Eastern Illinois      7-FA  34-50
47   Jeremy Gallon        Michigan              FA    37-50
48   Marcus Lucas         Missouri              FA    37-50
49   Jeremy Butler        Tennessee-Martin      7-FA  30-50
50   Taylor Martinez      Nebraska              FA    37-50
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      My Final Rankings

                      Code:
                      [B]Rk  Rd    Player               School[/B]
1   1     Sammy Watkins        Clemson
2   1     Mike Evans           Texas A&M
3   1     Odell Beckham        LSU
4   1     Brandin Cooks        Oregon State
5   2     Marqise Lee          USC
6   2     Jordan Matthews      Vanderbilt
7   2     Davante Adams        Fresno State
8   2     Cody Latimer         Indiana
9   2     Kelvin Benjamin      Florida State
10  2-3   Allen Robinson       Penn State
11  2-3   Donte Moncrief       Mississippi
12  3     Martavis Bryant      Clemson
13  3     Bruce Ellington      South Carolina
14  3-4   Jarvis Landry        LSU
15  3-4   Paul Richardson      Colorado
16  3-4   Kevin Norwood        Alabama
17  4     Shaquelle Evans      UCLA
18  4     Jared Abbrederis     Wisconsin
19  4     Brandon Coleman      Rutgers
20  4-5   T.J. Jones           Notre Dame
21  4-5   Devin Street         Pittsburgh
22  4-5   Josh Huff            Oregon
23  5     Jeff Janis           Saginaw Valley State
24  5     Robert Herron        Wyoming
25  5-6   Jalen Saunders       Oklahoma
26  5-6   Michael Campanaro    Wake Forest
27  6     Matt Hazel           Coastal Carolina
28  6     Mike Davis           Texas
29  6-7   Ryan Grant           Tulane
30  7     John Brown           Pittsburg State (Ka)
31  7     Damian Copeland      Louisville
32  7     L'Damian Washington  Missouri
33  7-FA  Tevin Reese          Baylor
34  7-FA  Chandler Jones       San Jose State
35  7-FA  Albert Wilson        Georgia State
36  7-FA  Cody Hoffman         BYU
37  PFA   Bennie Fowler        Michigan State
38  PFA   Jeremy Butler        Tennessee-Martin
39  PFA   Torrence Allen       West Texas A&M
40  PFA   Solomon Patton       Florida
41  PFA   Quincy Enunwa        Nebraska
42  PFA   Allen Hurns          Miami (Fla)
43  PFA   Taylor Martinez      Nebraska
44  FA    Austin Franklin      New Mexico State
45  FA    Marcus Lucas         Missouri
46  FA    Eric Lora            Eastern Illinois
47  FA    Isaiah Burse         Fresno State
48  FA    Willie Snead         Ball State
49  FA    Jeremy Gallon        Michigan
50  FA    Kain Colter          Northwestern
                      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                      • #12
                        These forum issues are making things difficult. I'm done for the night. Probably won't be back on before the draft unfortunately.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          THX
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Marquise Lee looks like a first rounder to me. Guy has elite long speed and is sort of a natural on the field.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                              Marquise Lee looks like a first rounder to me. Guy has elite long speed and is sort of a natural on the field.
                              At least provide a link after you read something.

                              Packers Draft Rumors: Does Ted Thompson Want Marqise Lee?
                              http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014-nfl-draft-packers/2014/5/8/5696276/packers-2014-nfl-draft-rumors-ted-thompson-marqise-lee
                              NFL sources reportedly think the Packers are targeting a particular wide receiver with the 21st pick. What should we make of these rumors?

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