2014 Offseason Questions

[MadScientist]

And receiver and TE are the big question marks. I am concerned.

The Packers brass agreed enough with you to throw a 2, 3, 5, 7, and a highly talented UDFA into the mix to answer those questions. Can't guarantee that they have the answer, but unlike safety last year the Packers are putting a lot of effort into it.

[pbmax]

The Packers brass agreed enough with you to throw a 2, 3, 5, 7, and a highly talented UDFA into the mix to answer those questions. Can't guarantee that they have the answer, but unlike safety last year the Packers are putting a lot of effort into it.

Personally, I think the QB needs to get his head out of his back side as well. But the talent will help.

[Just Jeff]

Personally, I think the QB needs to get his head out of his back side as well. But the talent will help.

Wow. Didn't see that coming. How does AR have his head in his Thompson?

[pbmax]

Wow. Didn't see that coming. How does AR have his head in his Thompson?

Not taking dump off throws when facing intense pressure. Holding on to the ball too long while waiting for something deep to open up.

A TE who is not afraid of going down the seam against the Cover 2 would help. But those are not easy throws or catches and take time to get on the same page. Throwing it 10 yards to a wide open Lacy, Starks or Harris to gain 7 makes far more sense this year.

[vince]

Wow. Didn't see that coming. How does AR have his head in his Thompson?

[Just Jeff]

Not taking dump off throws when facing intense pressure. Holding on to the ball too long while waiting for something deep to open up.

A TE who is not afraid of going down the seam against the Cover 2 would help. But those are not easy throws or catches and take time to get on the same page. Throwing it 10 yards to a wide open Lacy, Starks or Harris to gain 7 makes far more sense this year.

So how is facing intense pressure on AR? How is not having a TE that can go down the seam on AR? If I can get Thompson for considering our Oline to be weak, where do I get the hall pass to say that AR is one of our problems?

[Guiness]

The Packers brass agreed enough with you to throw a 2, 3, 5, 7, and a highly talented UDFA into the mix to answer those questions. Can't guarantee that they have the answer, but unlike safety last year the Packers are putting a lot of effort into it.

Ya, that Justin "Mr. Italy" Perillo is something else, isn't he?

[pbmax]

So how is facing intense pressure on AR? How is not having a TE that can go down the seam on AR? If I can get Thompson for considering our Oline to be weak, where do I get the hall pass to say that AR is one of our problems?

You don't need a hall pass. Just stop trolling. No one thinks he is immune from criticism.

There are problems on almost every snap, in every game. Someone is covered, someone is winning a one on one battle, someone is applying pressure or blanket coverage. You do what you need to do to win.

You can't expect perfect execution every time you hike the ball. In this case, people are open. Throw them the ball and do not worry about the preference of the coach to look deep then shallow, esp. when they are all but daring you to go deep. When facing a good D, stop biting on the one on one matchup outside.

The reason part of the criticism for the O rests on Rodgers is because facing other kinds of coverage, the situation up front doesn't affect him nearly as much. So while his line does need to do pass pro better, he needs to do better versus Cover 2 man.

[Just Jeff]

You don't need a hall pass. Just stop trolling. No one thinks he is immune from criticism.

There are problems on almost every snap, in every game. Someone is covered, someone is winning a one on one battle, someone is applying pressure or blanket coverage. You do what you need to do to win.

You can't expect perfect execution every time you hike the ball. In this case, people are open. Throw them the ball and do not worry about the preference of the coach to look deep then shallow, esp. when they are all but daring you to go deep. When facing a good D, stop biting on the one on one matchup outside.

The reason part of the criticism for the O rests on Rodgers is because facing other kinds of coverage, the situation up front doesn't affect him nearly as much. So while his line does need to do pass pro better, he needs to do better versus Cover 2 man.

So would you be trolling about AR? I really don't see the difference. I think TT has done a horrendous job of maintaining an Oline. As a result of that opinion, I criticise him. You think AR does a poor job against the cover 2, so you criticise him. If I'm starting a team, I'll take AR, you take the Oline. We'll sort it out in a Super Bowl

[Fritz]

I don't think anyone is saying they'd prefer the o-line to Arod, given one or the other.

[Just Jeff]

I don't think anyone is saying they'd prefer the o-line to Arod, given one or the other.

Yet, criticism of one is trolling and the other insightful analysis?

[pbmax]

his reckless lack of concern

Yes, this strikes me as a sober, mature and well thought out critique of the problems Thompson has had with the O line. Its definitely his lack of concern.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26923-Biggest-addition-TT-has-made&p=788931&highlight=#post788931

[pbmax]

Yet, criticism of one is trolling and the other insightful analysis?

You are not just engaged in a meaningful critique. You are engaged in opposition to Thompson. The arguments simply change over time to whatever might have the most fertile ground to flourish.

There is no nuance, just condemnation. Mind reading and other posts meant to elicit a reaction rather than illuminate a subject.

You can pretend all you would like that you are a simple poster pointing out the flaws of a GM, but you have no larger point. You just want the argument and reaction.

[Fritz]

Yet, criticism of one is trolling and the other insightful analysis?

Yes. Criticism of AR for not looking quickly enough for open dump-offs when he sees cover-2 is a specific criticism of one aspect of a great player's game.

On the other hand, mass condemnations of an entire position group over the course of several years (without considering the success of Sitton or the injuries to two first-round offensive picks, plus...

Lines like this -

"If they were truly worried about his durablity, they wouldn't a) have an oline that is average at best, b) continue to change the Oline on an annual basis"

- which suggest that the GM (or is it the entire organization?) isn't worried about Aaron Rodgers's durability (and thus simply don't care about drafting good offensive linemen), do not add up to thoughtful analysis.

[Zool]

Yet, criticism of one is trolling and the other insightful analysis?

troll2
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verb
gerund or present participle: trolling
1. informal
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.