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[mraynrand]

Defense won them games early in Wilson's first season.

it won them the Divisional Playoff game, the NFC championship game, and the Superbowl. That doesn't mean Wilson aint any good, but dammit, Seattle was almost all about their damn defense, running game and then a solid collection of clutch plays from Wilson. Dude is a great leader; his team believes in him absolutely, they wouldn't be champs without him; but he's third in importance for that team winning the Superbowl.

[bobblehead]

No the credit should go to Wilson for clearly being the best QB on the roster.

Browns are just trying to keep Manziel's ego in check, he'll be the starter by week 4.

Wilson had ability...availability that is. The D kept his limits hidden early on as PB said, but Russel is a sharp guy and learned on the fly. I am of the opinion that a guy is better off sitting a year though if they don't have Lynch and the Seattle D to help him along.

And I agree on Manziel although by all reports his ego is in check. I think the Browns are trying to keep the MEDIA'S PERCEPTION of his ego in check.

[Brandon494]

Wilson had ability...availability that is. The D kept his limits hidden early on as PB said, but Russel is a sharp guy and learned on the fly. I am of the opinion that a guy is better off sitting a year though if they don't have Lynch and the Seattle D to help him along.

And I agree on Manziel although by all reports his ego is in check. I think the Browns are trying to keep the MEDIA'S PERCEPTION of his ego in check.

Defense was the reason they won games but they had little to do with Wilson tying the NFL rookie mark for TD passes. Not like he was Rex Grossman out there playing QB. Wilson also didn't turn the ball over, threw for a high %, and had a QBR over 100. Plus they fact he can make plays with his legs.

[Bretsky]

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I don't get the downplaying of how outstanding Russell Wilson has been; you guys sound like Badger Haters
Russell Wilson has looked good from day one
What does Pete Carroll ask him to do ?
Has he been successful or not ? What was his quarterback rating last year in comparison to some of the more veteran QB's that my guess is some in here perceive to be superior to Russell Wilson ?
Which games did Pete Carroll cut Russell Wilson loose last year ?
What is his INT/TD Ratio ?

Last, but not least, go back to the year Russell Wilson was drafted............look at everybody picked ahead of him....and consider where he'd be rated right now in that draft.

I know Seattle's defense is outstanding; but that fed off of an incredibly smart QB who could throw with solid completion percentage, keep drives alive with his feet, and not turn the ball over ! That was a nice compliment to a superior special teams(we would not know what one looks like) that didn't give up return yardage on punts. All of that together made a champion.

I can't believe the Badger fans who watched this guy carry us for a year have not chimed in here. I leave for a few days and come back to this ? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Bretsky]

Defense was the reason they won games but they had little to do with Wilson tying the NFL rookie mark for TD passes. Not like he was Rex Grossman out there playing QB. Wilson also didn't turn the ball over, threw for a high %, and had a QBR over 100. Plus they fact he can make plays with his legs.

THANK YOU.......for the logic..........from reading in here I'd think he was Trent Dilfer...............Is this guy not still in the top 10 for QB rating ? Are there 10 better quarterbacks ? I highly doubt Pete Carroll would get much past five if he was rating what he wants in his QB.

[Brandon494]

I can't believe the Badger fans who watched this guy carry us for a year have not chimed in here. I leave for a few days and come back to this ? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hard for Packers fans to give him credit ever since the Fail Marry.

[smuggler]

He's a good player on a great team.

[Brandon494]

Its not like the guy had any talent around him at WR, wait until he gets Harvin for a full season. IMO hes like a combination of Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. Not saying hes on their level but he will be one day.

[Bretsky]

Pete Carroll rarely unleashed Wilson; but when he did.............dude balls it....see first half against NO Saints. A good player on a great team....too dam simple. How many offensive players on Seattle do you take over Wilson ? Lynch....sure....who else ? And how many points did they score per game ? It's not like they were the Ravens playing prevent offense. Look at the numbers; they don't lie. I'm not saying he's great; but Brandon is spot on; he's hated/downgraded because of that one pass when he deserves credit for leading his team to a championship......rather than being considered a sidekick...

[mraynrand]

Hard for Packers fans to give him credit ever since the Fail Marry.

not me. I hate Tate and Carroll for pretending that play was legit. Wilson appears to be a great guy.

[Zool]

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You're old B. Age old question I suppose, but Russell isn't a prototypical NFL QB and therefor they win in spite of him I suppose? Tough to sound smart when the whole discussion is theoretical but there are quite a few QB's you'd take right now over Wilson. In the sports guy world, same as on an internet forum, you're either the best or the worst. There can be no in between.

[mraynrand]

You're old B. Age old question I suppose, but Russell isn't a prototypical NFL QB and therefor they win in spite of him I suppose? Tough to sound smart when the whole discussion is theoretical but there are quite a few QB's you'd take right now over Wilson. In the sports guy world, same as on an internet forum, you're either the best or the worst. There can be no in between.

Mediocre post.

[Pugger]

not me. I hate Tate and Carroll for pretending that play was legit. Wilson appears to be a great guy.

This - all damn day.

[pbmax]

Wilson had ability...availability that is. The D kept his limits hidden early on as PB said, but Russel is a sharp guy and learned on the fly. I am of the opinion that a guy is better off sitting a year though if they don't have Lynch and the Seattle D to help him along.

And I agree on Manziel although by all reports his ego is in check. I think the Browns are trying to keep the MEDIA'S PERCEPTION of his ego in check.

Agreed. I am less sold on Hoyer actually holding on to the starters job (though he has his supporters) but I think the public discussion of something coaches and teams are usually lithe to talk about is more about the public than the player right now.

[pbmax]

Defense was the reason they won games but they had little to do with Wilson tying the NFL rookie mark for TD passes. Not like he was Rex Grossman out there playing QB. Wilson also didn't turn the ball over, threw for a high %, and had a QBR over 100. Plus they fact he can make plays with his legs.

No doubt the kid can deliver plays. He is not JUST a game manager who avoids mistakes. He has genuine talent and a big arm. But he is ultra conservative on most plays and that plays well into his team's strengths. He is a perfect fit. But I do think he did not come to be a dangerous player until the second half of his rookie season.

The weapons argument is legit. I just view him as a second level guy (behind Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees). Also give him credit for not trying to be the statue QB like Ben, Aikman or Carson Palmer. He knows he does not need to take that kind of punishment when he can move like he can. Its a lesson Manziel would do well to learn.