In Play at the OTAs (2014)

[woodbuck27]

" From Demovsky again, see woodbuck/ESPN link above:


10. Roster move: The Packers were back at the 90-man roster limit after signing rookie linebacker Shaun Lewis of Oklahoma State. Lewis was in Green Bay last month for the Packers' rookie orientation camp as a tryout player. "
posted by pbmax

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=109786&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB

OLB/ILB Shaun Lewis ... 5' - 11" 226 lbs

4.8 40 yard; 225 Bench = 21; 31 " Vert.; 9' - 2 " Broad Jump

20 yard Shuttle = 4.62 Sec. and 3 Cone Drill = 7.59 Sec.

[bobblehead]

I know, I was being sarcastic. The poster I was responding to was comparing EDS leaving, without even getting an offer, to Reggie White leaving as the hottest FA in the league that year. That was a completely different situation too.

Actually, the poster was mocking you because you think a guy who has started all 128 games of his NFL career sucks.

[Just Jeff]

Actually, the poster was mocking you because you think a guy who has started all 128 games of his NFL career sucks.

Yes that is pretty close to my opinion of him, although I never said that. I made a general statement that TT has done a terrible job of drafting olinemen. I stand by that. The number of times AR has been sacked attests to that. The number of times AR has been knocked down attests to that. If you or other posters think that by tendering Colledge as an indication that TT has done a good job of drafting Olineman, I'll be more than happy with my position.

[denverYooper]

The Packers might have the best guard tandem in the league. If they get a real solid center, that interior OL will kick some serious ass for a couple-few years.

[pbmax]

Actually, the poster was mocking you because you think a guy who has started all 128 games of his NFL career sucks.

I read the Reggie White comparison as a critique of the idea that if a player leaves Team X for Team Y, that indicates one of only two possible conclusions: he was beat out by another player or that he was bad. The inference drawn here depends on cost not being a factor and that one should never plan for the future.

Long time Packer fans will recognize this kind of short sighted approach.

Its was good to hear from Coach Sherman again. I hope his retirement is going well.

[Just Jeff]

The Packers might have the best guard tandem in the league. If they get a real solid center, that interior OL will kick some serious ass for a couple-few years.

And IF my aunt Stephanie had a dick, we'd call her uncle

[mraynrand]

And IF my aunt Stephanie had a dick, we'd call her uncle

What would her uncle do?

[mraynrand]

I made a general statement that TT has done a terrible job of drafting olinemen. I stand by that. The number of times AR has been sacked attests to that. The number of times AR has been knocked down attests to that. If you or other posters think that by tendering Colledge as an indication that TT has done a good job of drafting Olineman, I'll be more than happy with my position.

seriously, your reasoning is pretty terrible. I stand by that.

1) TT doing a 'terrible job' of DRAFTING linemen. OK, so some linemen have been poor choices and others have been injured. Colledge - who is dominating this discussion - as a signature TT pick is not terrible. He is an average or below average starter. Given the number of drafted linemen who don't make teams, don't start, don't start for multiple years, the logical conclusion is that - judging just College alone, he is clearly not a terrible pick, and doesn't indicate a 'terrible' job drafting linemen.

2) Pressures and sacks on Rodgers: If they were only due to performance of the lineman, then you could say they are poor. however, a quick, superficial, cursory analysis of Packer offensive scheme can demonstrate that Rodger's sacks and pressures are due more to scheme and philosophy than to o-line performance. Note, this does not mean the linemen are 'great' or even 'above average' only that there are several other significant contributions to pressure than the quality of lineman. Just one example: The game at Seattle in 2012. The first half, the Packers played exclusively a pass oriented offense and the Seahawk's defense teed off on the Packers to the tune of what was it 7 sacks and tons of pressure. At the half, Stubby changes to a run-heavier offense and - surprise - sacks go way down. So clearly, scheme and play calling make a huge difference. Very good o-lines can look terrible when then defense knows a team is going to pass. For confirmation of this fact, see any NFL game where a team is down by several scores late in the fourth quarter.

3) Colledge as evidence TT does a 'good job' drafting linemen. This is a classic strawman argument. I'll give another perfect example: "For those of you who think Favre is the worst QB in the NFL, I tell you that you are crazy." As far as I can tell, there is no one here who thinks TT is a great evaluator of o-line talent, and few if any who are using Colledge as an example of TT doing a 'good job.' Maybe adequate or marginal or fair. But not an example of a 'good job.'

(4) Overall evaluation: See (1 and 3) above. Colledge is neither terrible nor great and thus probably serves as an example that TT does an adequate job drafting o-linemen, especially as you start to consider the rounds in which various linemen were drafted and the injuries they have suffered. If you hold TT accountable for player injuries (which I view as absurd) then his draft history looks much worse. I was going to concede that TT may place less value on o-linemen, but he has spent some top picks on tackles; things just haven't panned out. Terrible job? Certainly not. Great? Certainly not? Meh? Pretty much, with Colledge as the standard bearer, and a collection of injuries as complicating factors.

[Brandon494]

Nice article on the preview of the offensive line this year. I really like the potential of this group with Sitton being the oldest at 27, should be much improved from last season IF they can stay healthy. They are not there yet but if we can keep them together I could see them being a top 10 O-line 2-3 years down the road.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014/6/12/5803786/packers-2014-preview-the-state-of-the-offensive-line

[KYPack]

And IF my aunt Stephanie had a dick, we'd call her uncle

What's his 40 time?

[Just Jeff]

What's his 40 time?

.2 faster than Colledge.

[Zool]

What's his 40 time?

You'd be fast too if your transvestite niece was chasing you with her dick hanging out.

[Guiness]

You'd be fast too if your transvestite niece was chasing you with her dick hanging out.