Biggest addition TT has made.

[pbmax]

Wells and Rivera were seldom injured and you can't extrapolate that because they did elsewhere

I don't need to because older players get hurt and miss games more often, and in the cases we are discussing, they are more expensive and leave the team with fewer resources to assemble talent.

To advance the sophistry that our Oline was the problem in the late 90s and early 2000s is really a stretch. We had two things going for us during that time period, one of which was our Oline.

I did not identify the O line as a problem and made no mention of the late 90s. I said four years (2001-2004) and cited a lack of evidence that the superior players on that line could push a team to a Conference Championship. And that was before two of them were in line for very large raises. Even with their modest costs during that period, the team already had cap issues, though not all were centered on the O line.

Who is this "more talent" at "cheaper prices" that TT has assembled for our Oline?

I said the roster, not specifically the O Line.

[Brandon494]

Woodson is the popurlar choice and TT finding Tramon Williams and Sam Shields as undrafted free agents were big additions as well. I think the clear answer though is Aaron Rodgers, some GMs would have given into the fan pressure and drafted a player to help Favre get to another Super Bowl. Rodgers still has a long ways to go but I think he will end up being a better QB than Favre.

[Guiness]

Wells and Rivera were seldom injured and you can't extrapolate that because they did elsewhere, that they would have here. To advance the sophistry that our Oline was the problem in the late 90s and early 2000s is really a stretch. We had two things going for us during that time period, one of which was our Oline.

Who is this "more talent" at "cheaper prices" that TT has assembled for our Oline?

Riviera was very broken down by that time. Back, knee, etc. There wasn't enough tape in the trainer's kit to hold him together by the time he left here. He was worse than hurt a lot of times, and you couldn't get him off the field, but he was done.

[Patler]

His biggest move?

Firing a head coach with one of the highest winning percentages in Packer history, passing over front runners for the job (especially Payton), and hiring a guy few thought of as much of a candidate for any HC job at the time.

[Just Jeff]

I don't need to because older players get hurt and miss games more often, and in the cases we are discussing, they are more expensive and leave the team with fewer resources to assemble talent.

So unlike the younger Bulaga, Sherrod, Tretter, etc.



I did not identify the O line as a problem and made no mention of the late 90s. I said four years (2001-2004) and cited a lack of evidence that the superior players on that line could push a team to a Conference Championship.

And I made mention of the early 2000s to which you did in fact attribute the teams problems in part to the Oline:" The Great Wall had four chances in the playoffs together and couldn't advance to the Championship Game (or beyond). Those five players did not make enough of a difference." I only stretched to the late 90's as they were, for the most part, the exact same players.



I said the roster, not specifically the O Line.

I hope you'll excuse my confusion. When you post "the great white wall", "those five guys" and "wells, rivera" I assumed that you were referring to the Oline, especially when you were responding to a post of mine that exclusively was about our Oline and its protection of our QBs.

[bobblehead]

I am going with trading back into the first round (with the Favre pick) to grab Clay. I am not as huge a clay fan as many here are, but I think you could argue that had he not done that we wouldn't have won a superbowl. Now, if the human ace bandage can stay healthy and thrive with Peppers helping draw the attention, and should we win another SB, then its a no brainer in my book. Of course assuming/hoping our D cranks it back up this year might be a stretch, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

Ted did something everyone claimed he NEVER WILL DO. He traded multiple valuable picks to get ONE GUY. That one guy proved to be well worth it.

[Just Jeff]

Riviera was very broken down by that time. Back, knee, etc. There wasn't enough tape in the trainer's kit to hold him together by the time he left here. He was worse than hurt a lot of times, and you couldn't get him off the field, but he was done.

That may be but he started EVERY single game for his last five years on the team (1999-2004), including playoff games. In light of the current injury situation on our team, I would hardly call that broken down. In fact you have to go back to 1998 to find a game that Rivera didn't start. Tauscher and Clifton were equally broken down and yet easily beat out the late round, budget Olinemen TT tried to replace them with. The only Olineman that TT has picked to rival this would be Josh Sitton and over his last 5 years even he has started one less game than Rivera. After Sitton you can't even find a TT pick that lasted 5 years as a starter, so the starts can't be compared. I don't focus on our White Wall in terms of how great they were, but how miserable their replacements have been.

[smuggler]

Probably Howard Green

This comment not getting nearly enough love. Howard was quite the large man.

[Iron Mike]

I gotta go with drafting Jason Spitz:

[pbmax]

Careers don't go on forever. At some point the risk is too high for the price. You cannot reward players for what they did under the last deal. We might see something like that in Jordy's next contract.

Hiring his own coach should probably be high on the list, but everyone expects the new GM to get his own guy. Does that diminish the "bigness" of the move to fire Sherman and hire McCarthy?

[Pugger]

Trading favre (was the biggest story in the nfl that training camp)
Signing Woodson (younger than peppers)
Trading into the first round for Matthews
Peppers

We can't omit Ted drafting Rodgers.

[Brandon494]

I can't believe I'm am the only one who has mentioned Rodgers. You guys act like QB grow on trees, after a QB like Favre we are lucky as shit to score on another hall of fame QB like Rodgers. I'm not a betting man but the smart bet would be on us winning the super bowl this year because of #12 and the improvements on defense. IMO all we need is a top 10 defense to win it all, I'm putting $500 on it myself.

[Joemailman]

I can't believe I'm am the only one who has mentioned Rodgers. You guys act like QB grow on trees, after a QB like Favre we are lucky as shit to score on another hall of fame QB like Rodgers. I'm not a betting man but the smart bet would be on us winning the super bowl this year because of #12 and the improvements on defense. IMO all we need is a top 10 defense to win it all, I'm putting $500 on it myself.

The original premise of the thread was which was TT's biggest move at the time he did it, without the benefit of hindsight. Now, drafting a QB on the 1st round when you still had Favre was a big move, but there were others that seemed pretty big when they were made.

[mraynrand]

The original premise of the thread was which was TT's biggest move at the time he did it, without the benefit of hindsight. Now, drafting a QB on the 1st round when you still had Favre was a big move, but there were others that seemed pretty big when they were made.

The QB was probably the biggest because it was Favre. You don't draft a QB in the first round without the intention of having him play. That pick made it crystal clear that Favre's days in GB were numbered.

Runner up is the move for Matthews. That wasn't as big, based on the criteria for this thread, because Matthews wasn't all that well known. Still, Favre was angry that the Packers didn't get him more weapons.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Rodgers
Matthews
Woodson