Official Packers vs. Titans Game Day Thread

[Joemailman]

I thought Sherrod was really good for first game in so long. I still think he could win the LT job if its an open competition.

I doubt it is open though, unless Bakhtiari really digresses. That's unfortunate, because Bakhtiari would be I believe a perfect G/T swing guy. Like Barclay, only more talented. Sherrod will likely have to wait until someone gets injured, and then he'll need to perform so well he can't be taken out.

[Zool]

From the little bit I have seen of the game, Jarrett Bush was a madman Saturday night. I just don't get it. His play is so wishy washy at times - he makes a play one series, then has a huge brain fart the next.

I liked when they were trying to convert him to a safety and thought that would be a good fit for him. He just makes me nervous when he has to come into a game.

Bush is the equivalent of a AAAA baseball player. Looks fantastic against everyone but the starters.

[denverYooper]

Sherrod had some issues, but he looks like the most fluid player Green Bay has put at tackle in some time. He looks like he has the ability to turn into a black hole on the edge.

[pbmax]

Sherrod needs reps. It might be the best he looked in camps (I thought late in his rookie season prior to injury it looked like he got it too) but he has some distance to travel yet.

But for a guy who is for all intents and purposes a second year player (first entire offseason, middle of first camp, one truncated camp, played in parts of 5 games or so) he didn't whiff. But I think they ran behind him only once or twice. Need to see a lot more run blocking from him.

But as we saw in his rookie year, if he gets his mitts on you, you aren't getting away.

[Joemailman]

Sherrod needs reps. It might be the best he looked in camps (I thought late in his rookie season prior to injury it looked like he got it too) but he has some distance to travel yet.

But for a guy who is for all intents and purposes a second year player (first entire offseason, middle of first camp, one truncated camp, played in parts of 5 games or so) he didn't whiff. But I think they ran behind him only once or twice. Need to see a lot more run blocking from him.

But as we saw in his rookie year, if he gets his mitts on you, you aren't getting away.

I'm not sure he'll ever be the guy you want to run behind. The question may be, if he can pass block like Clifton, do you accept mediocre run blocking? They accepted it from Clifton for years because he secured the QB's blind side.

[ThunderDan]

At one point in the telecast Rich Gannon was talking about the injuries that some TENN player had. He said he had a knee and a wrist and I thought Red's head would explode if he heard it.

[3irty1]

I'm not sure he'll ever be the guy you want to run behind. The question may be, if he can pass block like Clifton, do you accept mediocre run blocking? They accepted it from Clifton for years because he secured the QB's blind side.

He's got a lot more to work with as a positional run blocker than Clifton did though. Sherrod is a considerably bigger and more mobile wall.

[Patler]

He's got a lot more to work with as a positional run blocker than Clifton did though. Sherrod is a considerably bigger and more mobile wall.

I think you are forgetting how big Clifton really is/was. He was so broad that it masked his height, but he was a big, big fella. At the pre-draft combine:

Derek Sherrod - 6'5", 321 lbs.
Chad Clifton - 6'5", 334 lbs.

As for athleticism and mobility:

40 yard dash - Sherrod 5.28, clifton 5.05
20 yard Shuttles - Sherrod 4.63, Clifton 4.73
3 cone drill - Sherrod 7.43, Clifton 7.58
Vertical jump - Sherrod 28", Clifton 30.5"
Broad jump - Sherrod 97", Clifton 102"

Clifton was bigger, faster with better explosiveness in his legs (vertical & broad jumps). Sherrod quicker at directional changes (shuttle and cone drill).

[3irty1]

I think you are forgetting how big Clifton really is/was. He was so broad that it masked his height, but he was a big, big fella. At the pre-draft combine:

Derek Sherrod - 6'5", 321 lbs.
Chad Clifton - 6'5", 334 lbs.

As for athleticism and mobility:

40 yard dash - Sherrod 5.28, clifton 5.05
20 yard Shuttles - Sherrod 4.63, Clifton 4.73
3 cone drill - Sherrod 7.43, Clifton 7.58
Vertical jump - Sherrod 28", Clifton 30.5"
Broad jump - Sherrod 97", Clifton 102"

Clifton was bigger, faster with better explosiveness in his legs (vertical & broad jumps). Sherrod quicker at directional changes (shuttle and cone drill).

Well I was talking about the older Clifton working in the ZBS. But wasn't Clifton also almost 2 years older than Sherrod during their respective drafts? Maybe Sherrods size is some kind of optical illusion but he's always looked much bigger than the guys next to him who are listed as having similar mass. It looks to me like he's packed on some meat since his rookie season but could still hold tons more on his frame. He's got the arms and hands of a gorilla that Clifton lacked. I guess Clifton could be just as much of an optical illusion with how low he played in his technique. Wish I could see them next to each other.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Clifton was bigger, faster with better explosiveness in his legs (vertical & broad jumps). Sherrod quicker at directional changes (shuttle and cone drill).

They are pretty comparable though. Clifton was slightly bigger. He was faster--although analysis shows that 40 yard time isn't a great judge of OTs. The other drills tend to better predict an OTs prospects in the NFL. They are split on the other traits (3 cone and shuttle for Sherrod; vertical and broad jump for Clifton).

[pbmax]

They are pretty comparable though. Clifton was slightly bigger. He was faster--although analysis shows that 40 yard time isn't a great judge of OTs. The other drills tend to better predict an OTs prospects in the NFL. They are split on the other traits (3 cone and shuttle for Sherrod; vertical and broad jump for Clifton).

It is also amenable to my observation he needs to use his legs more. Perhaps get stronger. He has a lot of lean in him when he sets up. He just needs reps. We will get to see what Sherrod can do if he gets significant snaps in the 4th preseason game.

My concern for this year is that absent Bach falling down stairs, Sherrod's pass pro is not going to be enough to unseat the Composer. When he can run block closer to Bach, then it will be time for Bach to take over for Bulaga.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I rewatched the game. Pretty sad, I know, but the wife and kids are out of town.

I concentrated on the TEs, WRs, and OLBs.

TEs - I thought they all looked pretty solid. Nothing spectacular, but they are serviceable. Quarless actually had a good game blocking. He's a bit faster than Rodgers. Rodgers looked better on second view. For a guy that is 270 lbs he moves pretty well. Not great, but he didn't look as lumbering as I remembered. He was hit or miss in his blocking. He struggled blocking out of H-Back sets. I still think Bostick looks the best as a receiver. The dude has filled out, but looks like he still has his speed. These guys will rotate, but I think we'll see Bostick a lot in passing sets.

WRs - I still think White will win a job--primarily because he's the only backup that fits in the slot. Nelson can do it, but I'd think that'd want more flexibility on the roster--other things being equal. I thought Dorsey and Sheppard looked decent in their route running, but probably not good enough to make the roster. Personally, I don't see it with Harper. He looks similar to Gillette to me. I'm excited to see Janis.

OLBs - Peppers was fine. For a guy his size, he's pretty fluid. Better than Aaron Kampman and Nick Perry. On the TD run, I'd fault Brad Jones. I'm pretty sure Peppers was supposed to set the edge, and Jones should have had that gap. Instead, he took an inside gap where there were other players already. Jones actually had a good game up to that point. I like Perry and Neal as backups. Neither Palmer nor Mulumba were impressive, but Palmer has a big role on special teams. I like Elliott much more than Hubbard. I hope we don't lose that kid.

I still like Rolle. Perillo is intriguing. He's a pretty good athlete--yet has enough size to develop as a blocker. I hope he makes the PS. Thornton looks similar to Boyd. Both guys have a nice combination of power and quickness--although Boyd didn't stand out as much on second view.

[bobblehead]

It is also amenable to my observation he needs to use his legs more. Perhaps get stronger. He has a lot of lean in him when he sets up. He just needs reps. We will get to see what Sherrod can do if he gets significant snaps in the 4th preseason game.

My concern for this year is that absent Bach falling down stairs, Sherrod's pass pro is not going to be enough to unseat the Composer. When he can run block closer to Bach, then it will be time for Bach to take over for Bulaga.

You and I have been in lock step re: Sherrod from the start. This is spot on. Problem is that he is a FA after this season, and a team desperate for a tackle that can set up the wall will snatch him up.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It is also amenable to my observation he needs to use his legs more. Perhaps get stronger. He has a lot of lean in him when he sets up. He just needs reps. We will get to see what Sherrod can do if he gets significant snaps in the 4th preseason game.

My concern for this year is that absent Bach falling down stairs, Sherrod's pass pro is not going to be enough to unseat the Composer. When he can run block closer to Bach, then it will be time for Bach to take over for Bulaga.

He looks stronger this year to me. Not as lean. He looks more like Clifton than the Sherrod I remember a couple of years ago. He certainly passes the eyeball test. It was good to see him play well--even if it was a meaningless preseason game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You and I have been in lock step re: Sherrod from the start. This is spot on. Problem is that he is a FA after this season, and a team desperate for a tackle that can set up the wall will snatch him up.

Some other team is going to get a relatively young OT (provided they stay healthy) next year from the Packers--either a RT in Bulaga or LT in Sherrod. The Packers won't be able to afford both. Sherrod may actually be a better prospect down the line.