Studs/ Duds Week 1

[3irty1]

Capers? The problem on defense this time was a talent problem IMO. Its on TT. Missed tackles and penalties smeared shit all over what could have been a passable defensive performance.

[Bretsky]

Capers? The problem on defense this time was a talent problem IMO. Its on TT. Missed tackles and penalties smeared shit all over what could have been a passable defensive performance.

THIS

[pbmax]

THIS

I am not looking to agree with wist, especially now that I get to rewatch this game looking for 4-3 alignments and trying to figure out what personnel were running it.

But penalties are not on Ted. That's the coaching staff. Its especially on the coaching staff if you put Brad Jones at SAM/SOLB and have him in charge of chucking the TE (2 penalties).

[wist43]

No studs.

3 Duds - TT, MM, and Dunderdummy.

This loss was all about coaching - or lack thereof.

[George Cumby]

The only thing I put on Ted is not putting pressure on fat mike to fire Capers and to try out new blood. This is a talented roster that is under performing.

[3irty1]

The Capers hate is just fan inertia from all the other times he's fucked up. Pb's got a good point about the penalties and I await his conclusion but Capers isn't the one missing tackles. Missed tackles have become pretty normal in Green Bay but last night had to set some kind of record. Multiple guys had multiple misses. I think at this point its enough of a pattern to blame TT. Capers also didn't choose Guion for his only NT. Capers had nothing to do with the futility on offense.

The guys responsible this time are the ones who always get the credit when things go well. TT, MM, and Rodgers.

[wist43]

The only thing I put on Ted is not putting pressure on fat mike to fire Capers and to try out new blood. This is a talented roster that is under performing.

TT is also to blame for the players he's assembled. He did nothing about the ILB situation, and he got rid of our run stuffing DL.

Pickett and Jolly each had their warts - Pickett age, and Jolly age and injury, but if he's not going to bring those guys back, he should have brought in some legit 3-4, run stuffing DL to replace them. Instead, he went finesse - following Capers' advice I'm sure - and the results were entirely predictable.

I certainly knew it was coming... we gave up 207 yds rushing last night, a 5.6 yd avg - picking up right where we left off from last year.

The Packers brain trust learned exactly nothing from last year - they just changed out a couple of players and said, 'problem solved' - b/c, afterall, they don't view the scheme or the coaching as the problem, they view the players as being the problem.

[wist43]

The Capers hate is just fan inertia from all the other times he's fucked up. Pb's got a good point about the penalties and I await his conclusion but Capers isn't the one missing tackles. Missed tackles have become pretty normal in Green Bay but last night had to set some kind of record. Multiple guys had multiple misses. I think at this point its enough of a pattern to blame TT. Capers also didn't choose Guion for his only NT. Capers had nothing to do with the futility on offense.

The guys responsible this time are the ones who always get the credit when things go well. TT, MM, and Rodgers.

That's a bunch of BS 3irty1...

TT is ultimately to blame, then MM, then dunderdummy.

Capers IS the one missing tackles, b/c the players are not prepared - and more often than not, are in a poor position to make the tackle. And when they were in position to make the tackle and simply bounced off the ball carrier - that too is on Capers b/c the players are not being coached up to the fundamentals.

Sun Tzu - the responsibility always rests with the General.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Poor old Dom Capers, no matter how much he schemes it doesn't matter if he doesn't run some tackling drills and coach fundamentals.

Vince Lombardi once said "This isn't rocket science, the team that blocks and tackles better is going to win."

The defense just hasn't been good since Cullen Jenkins was not signed.

[3irty1]

That's a bunch of BS 3irty1...

TT is ultimately to blame, then MM, then dunderdummy.

Capers IS the one missing tackles, b/c the players are not prepared - and more often than not, are in a poor position to make the tackle. And when they were in position to make the tackle and simply bounced off the ball carrier - that too is on Capers b/c the players are not being coached up to the fundamentals.

Sun Tzu - the responsibility always rests with the General.

At some point after playing football your whole life and making it your profession the fundamentals are your responsibility. But even if you disagree, Winston Moss is Brad Jones's position coach and not a hire by Capers. You think someone else could teach him to tackle?

Even if Capers does deserve blame, that's nothing new. Lets talk about how shitty MM and Rodgers were on offense.

[Zool]

But even if you disagree, Winston Moss is Brad Jones's position coach and not a hire by Capers. You think someone else could teach him to tackle?

I've got a variety of sayings for Mr Jones. I'm going to go with "You can lead a moron to a ball carrier but you can't make him tackle." That guy sucks like a 18 year old smoker with daddy issues. Shoot him and bill TT, MM, and Capers for the bullet. Bishop would look about the same on 1 leg right now. Not that Bishop was stellar, but compared to Jones he's the GOAT. Calling Jones JAG is an insult to JAGs everywhere. If they play like that for any stretch this season, 9-7 is the best we can hope for.

[3irty1]

I've got a variety of sayings for Mr Jones. I'm going to go with "You can lead a moron to a ball carrier but you can't make him tackle." That guy sucks like a 18 year old smoker with daddy issues. Shoot him and bill TT, MM, and Capers for the bullet. Bishop would look about the same on 1 leg right now. Not that Bishop was stellar, but compared to Jones he's the GOAT. Calling Jones JAG is an insult to JAGs everywhere. If they play like that for any stretch this season, 9-7 is the best we can hope for.

I actually think with the way this team is built its going to be blowout or blown out. If we can pass we can stop the pass, but our offense has to be our run defense. We're on pace to set the league record for worst rushing defense ever and we still have to face AP twice this year.

[wist43]

At some point after playing football your whole life and making it your profession the fundamentals are your responsibility. But even if you disagree, Winston Moss is Brad Jones's position coach and not a hire by Capers. You think someone else could teach him to tackle?

Even if Capers does deserve blame, that's nothing new. Lets talk about how shitty MM and Rodgers were on offense.

Football starts on the LOS - build up both of your lines, and that is the foundation. Secondly - defense, defense, defense.

I won't even bother to look at what the offense is doing - except on the OL - until the defense is fixed. If you can't play defense, you can't win consistently.

Beyond that, our offense has an excellent track record of getting things fixed and righting the ship. Even I, the pessimist of all pessimists, has faith in MM to get things fixed on offense... it might take a few games, but I have faith that MM will get it fixed.

Defense on the other hand?? Our defense, and our defensive coaching staff, have a track record of fixing nothing; they have a track record of doing the same shit over and over again... and a track record of producing abysmal results.

Our season depends on if the defense can get things fixed - the answer to that is obvious - of course they won't get things fixed. They've had 6 months to rework the defense, and all Capers did was swap out a couple of players and said, viola!!!

Result of blaming the players and not changing the scheme?? 207 yds rushing allowed, and another embarrassing blowout loss.

Football starts with playing good defense - the Packers defense is a joke, b/c our DC is a joke.

[call_me_ishmael]

I actually think with the way this team is built its going to be blowout or blown out. If we can pass we can stop the pass, but our offense has to be our run defense. We're on pace to set the league record for worst rushing defense ever and we still have to face AP twice this year.

LOL, a trendline after one game? C'mon man, you're an engineer. Act like it. While I agree the run defense is likely to be bad - your assessment is not fair.

[Tony Oday]

AR played terrible last night, looked SCARED out there, threw away an easy first down, missed passes that should have been hit, just a bad bad game for the "fearless" Leader.

Lacy looked ok he is a guy that should get stronger the longer the game goes on but he was Deboed last night with a head shot.

Jordy gave up a sweet pick

Cobb was under utilized...hey MM did you see what Harvin did? Yeah take notes from Bevel

O line was just not good.

Did the D line play?

I liked Peppers and CMIII attacking the passer...would be real nice if we get ahead they can just pin their heads back

Hawk was bad

Jones made Hawk look like Ray Lewis, he should be Rubly'd

DBs were not terrible actually, got burned by a Hawk pick, a sweetly designed play and play action...shocker

Safteys...HA HA HA HA...thats what Lynch was yapping...could tackle...at all.

MM get your head out of the Perkins Menu and realize that the short passing East West Flare routes didnt work and were not working. Attack down field. You have to throw against Sherman regardless if it works just to make sure the safties have to respect that side of the field!

Mastay WHAT THE MONKEY F*CK!!!! Did you lose your leg? Did someone punch you in the thigh so you cant punt anymore?

Crosby...I am not mad at you for some reason and it feels wrong.