Studs/ Duds Week 1

[3irty1]

I don't think it's that complicated - if you have your hand in the dirt, and you're firing off the line, and engaging an OL?? Then call me crazy, but that by definition is a defensive lineman. If you are standing up, roaming, feigning into gaps... then you are, by definition, a LB.

I counted 1 play the entire game in which we had 4 guys with their hand in the dirt - the vast majority of the time, they had Dom's standard 2.

Seriously, it's like I've stepped into an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Say in this Twilight Zone, you were able to not shit your pants about who was standing up and who is down in a stance. In such a world the the 2-5 we saw, whatever formation you call an elephant, some of the 3-4 looks I saw in the first half, and 4-3 that apparently only Bob McGinn saw could all be the same play because they all have the same people in the same place with the same responsibilities. I would name a formation based on what the guys at the line are doing, not the numbers on their jersey, but clearly Bob disagrees which is the source of the confusion here. I'm just trying to get the vernacular sorted out.

I do agree with Max though. Standing up vs hand on the ground for your End/LB types isn't as significant as who those players are, where they are lined up, and what their responsibilities are. I don't think standing up Peppers automatically makes him 25% as effective against the run like you've been saying for years in your 2-4 rants.

[pbmax]

The Packers are calling it a 4-3 and asked the reporters not to break the news before the first game.

[Rastak]

No, that was Eurasia... Emmanual Goldstein is a slippery chap

By they by... you guys looked very stout on Sunday. Granted it was only the Rams, but I suspected that Zimmer would get you guys headed in the right direction. I own Patterson in a couple of fantasy leagues - he's the real deal.

Division is really up for grabs this year.

I am somewhat optimistic. The coaching staff they got in play from Turner to Zimmer haeding the way to Jerry Gray coaching DBs makes me think it's just a year or two away from some serious hay at worst.......now watch me be disapointed as always.....

[pbmax]

Speaking of the Hawk stumble, did anyone else notice a large number of Packers just falling down of their own accord during the game?

[George Cumby]

The defense is designed to have the run taken away by the Packers offense, and then to get occasional stops or turnovers. When that doesn't happen it looks like shit.

Which is what happened during the SB run and 2011. Nice point.

[Carolina_Packer]

I want the Packers to treat the LOS as if it were turf worth fighting for and winning - Capers does not believe that.

Capers believes every snap of the ball is going to be a pass... hence, there is no need to do anything with regard to winning the LOS. He thinks he can pretty much abandon the middle of the field, or at most plop a couple of fat guys in there in the rare event that the offense might be dumb enough to run the ball...

Throw on top of that misguided approach a couple of ILB's who really don't belong on NFL rosters anymore - and you have the 2013-14 Packers defense.

When you get rewind - watch Hawk... he's truly pathetic. On Lynch's 9 yd TD run?? WTF is he looking at?? He simply ran himself out the play and joined the other 5 front players in being washed away, while Lynch laughed his way into the end zone untouched... check that, his shirt tail was being pulled, lol...

Then I remember another play where Hawk was late reacting to the TE in the flat... late reacting, you can see the light bulb go on, '... oh yeah, I'm supposed to cover that guy over there"... he sets off for the flat like a bloke with cement shoes. He stumbles b/c he doesn't have the speed or athleticism to get out there... it was truly pathetic.

The scheme is flawed and unsound, the players are not being used properly - again; all of them are confused at times - sometimes all of them at the same time!!! On and on with this crap...

I don't think they can fix it... Capers has just made too big a mess of everything, and the ILB's are just too much of a liability to overcome.

Wist, did you read the article by Greg Cosell the day after the game? Someone mentioned it in another post, but I think it's worth repeating. Seattle is not a team that says this is what we're running and try and stop us, like the old Green Bay sweep, they do a great job of deceiving and reacting off of what the defense is showing them. How would a defense better prepare for that? Were we bound to have that kind of game on defense because Capers has become too predictable, do we still not have enough talent on that side of the ball, or did they just lay an egg and they can play much better?

[Rutnstrut]

Wist, did you read the article by Greg Cosell the day after the game? Someone mentioned it in another post, but I think it's worth repeating. Seattle is not a team that says this is what we're running and try and stop us, like the old Green Bay sweep, they do a great job of deceiving and reacting off of what the defense is showing them. How would a defense better prepare for that? Were we bound to have that kind of game on defense because Capers has become too predictable, do we still not have enough talent on that side of the ball, or did they just lay an egg and they can play much better?

If you blame lack of talent, that's on TT. He has had enough time to get the defense some decent talent. Capers is "supposed" to be great at reacting to the surprises offenses throw at them and changing it up. In actuality he is not and needs to go.

[Rutnstrut]

I wonder if Kevin Greene jumped ship because he didn't like the direction of the defense and didn't want to be associated with Capers... Hard to move up by attaching yourself to a failing product.

That's exactly what I said when he "left to be with family". That whole spending every free moment with the wife and kids deal gets old fast.

[wist43]

Here is quote from Rex Ryan on why they drafted Calvin Pryor instead of Clinton-Dix...

"Both guys were excellent players," Ryan said, per ESPN. "We would have been happy with either guy. But I took the guy who will knock your face in."

And therein lies the difference in philosphies between a truly tough, defensive minded coach - and the crap that the Packers keep puking up every year.

Drag down tacklers, poor zone defenders and tacklers, and run-around LB's... the Packers reputation for being soft is self-inflicted and well deserved.

[call_me_ishmael]

Here is quote from Rex Ryan on why they drafted Calvin Pryor instead of Clinton-Dix...

"Both guys were excellent players," Ryan said, per ESPN. "We would have been happy with either guy. But I took the guy who will knock your face in."

And therein lies the difference in philosphies between a truly tough, defensive minded coach - and the crap that the Packers keep puking up every year.

Drag down tacklers, poor zone defenders and tacklers, and run-around LB's... the Packers reputation for being soft is self-inflicted and well deserved.

Gimme the 6'1" guy over the 5'10" every day of the week, though.

[wist43]

Gimme the 6'1" guy over the 5'10" every day of the week, though.

Are we talking about evening gown models - or knock your teeth out football players??

Give me the tougher, more physical player.

Of course, the Packers prefer the evening gown players... not that Clinton-Dix is all finesse - we'll see... but I wanted Pryor over Dix for the same reason that Rex Ryan cited.

[wist43]

Wist, did you read the article by Greg Cosell the day after the game? Someone mentioned it in another post, but I think it's worth repeating. Seattle is not a team that says this is what we're running and try and stop us, like the old Green Bay sweep, they do a great job of deceiving and reacting off of what the defense is showing them. How would a defense better prepare for that? Were we bound to have that kind of game on defense because Capers has become too predictable, do we still not have enough talent on that side of the ball, or did they just lay an egg and they can play much better?

I think I might have skimmed it...

I'm all for deception - but deception while being sound and physical. The Packers achieve none of the above.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That's exactly what I said when he "left to be with family". That whole spending every free moment with the wife and kids deal gets old fast.

In wonder if the wife and kids ever get a vote in those early retirement.

[Pugger]

Are we talking about evening gown models - or knock your teeth out football players??

Give me the tougher, more physical player.

Of course, the Packers prefer the evening gown players... not that Clinton-Dix is all finesse - we'll see... but I wanted Pryor over Dix for the same reason that Rex Ryan cited.

Good lord. We have no clue if TT wanted Pryor because he was gone by the time our pick came up. And we have no clue if Ted called the Jets about trading places either.

[denverYooper]

Good lord. We have no clue if TT wanted Pryor because he was gone by the time our pick came up. And we have no clue if Ted called the Jets about trading places either.

Doesn't matter. Haha is the guy Green Bay needs. He's going to be a very good player.