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  • Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
    The emergence of Perry has really helped the defense. It allows a move like Matthews to the middle. I liked the Polamalu reference that Collinsworth made about Matthews in that he was all over the field and being put into positions to make plays.

    Agree that I don't want him there full time, but what was done vs Chicago was a great start.
    Let him play ILB off and on the rest of the season. Look to the draft to find a replacement for next year and move Clay back outside.
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    • Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
      Get 11 of your most talented guys on the field at the same time and let them play. Substitute here and there to keep them fresh.

      Wholesale substitution of situational personnel groups sounds good on paper, but I just don't think the Packers are deep enough talent-wise to pull it off. You lose cohesiveness, quality and consistency. Plus, you open yourself up to communication lapses and mistakes.

      You have to fit the scheme to the talent you have, not the other way around. Schemes don't make plays, players do.
      I think they have that depth in the secondary and OLB. But there is a reason the ILBs only recently changed for the better.
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      • I'm not suggesting that what round a player is chosen in indicates how much success a player will have, but generally it can. What have the Packers acquired/kept on defense at ILB? Hawk who is solid, but not spectacular and has holes in his game. Jamari Lattimore can bring some nice game sometimes, but has about reached his ceiling. Sam Barrington is a 2nd year guy who was drafted in the 7th round and Brad Jones is a 7th rounder who started as an OLB, was moved to ILB and has had mixed results, and the Packers seem to have lost faith in him for good reason. I don't know what the GM guide to spending money on ILB's says, but you wouldn't say that what the Packers have at ILB is an overwhelming lot of players to solidify the middle of the field.

        Ryan Shazier and C.J. Mosley would have looked awesome in Green and Gold, but it was not meant to be. I hope for Clay's sake that they shore up that spot in next year's draft or (dare I dream) a free agent ILB hits the market.
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        • Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post

          Ryan Shazier and C.J. Mosley would have looked awesome in Green and Gold, but it was not meant to be. I hope for Clay's sake that they shore up that spot in next year's draft or (dare I dream) a free agent ILB hits the market.
          I think Ha Ha has plugged a bigger hole than the one the Pack has at ILB. Not just him, but how much better Burnett has played with him there.
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          • Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
            Get 11 of your most talented guys on the field at the same time and let them play.
            End of thread?

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            • We've got miles to go to catch up to Brett the Living Legend.
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              • Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                I think Ha Ha has plugged a bigger hole than the one the Pack has at ILB. Not just him, but how much better Burnett has played with him there.
                Totally agree. They had 2 big gaps there and they filled 1.
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                • Playing ILB on 1st and 2nd down makes a lot of sense. It lets Perry be the guy setting the edge on most run downs which is an upgrade, gets our worst defender off the field which is nice, and hopefully can squeeze some extra production out of Clay by putting him near the ball more often. Not bad but its still just icing on the cake, Clay's salary is way too high to be justified by anything but rushing the passer and doing it well. Him getting back to probowl form on 3rd down is what would get me excited. Usually early in the season he starts off hot with some multi-sack games, hopefully the law of averages kicks in for him during the playoffs.
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                  • he had a bigger impact in this game than he's had in a while. keep using him this way until it doesn't work anymore.

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                    • I hope Capers isn't watching the Cactus Bowl. Washington just stacked three defenders over the center. No other defender was on the LOS.
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                      • Originally posted by Armed Rodgery View Post
                        This defense in just poorly coached period. I coach 11-12 year old football and the easiest way to move the ball is misdirection, making three or four total opposite plays look just alike, trying to make the defense figure out who has the ball. Having 3 kids chasing a kid who doesnt even have the ball. Having your fastest guy just flying around as a decoy while the defense is drawn to him like a moth to a flame. Thats exactly what Sea did to us last night, they ran Pop Warner plays, playactions, our players were frozen. One play Peppers literally looked like he was playing freeze tag and was "it" while the guy ran past him, We were chasing guys who didnt even have the ball.

                        That screen to Lynch when they ran Harvin to the opposite side sucked in all the GB defense and tossed it to Lynch, MAN WE RUN THAT PLAY!!!!

                        I've seen 12 year old teams play the read option better than GB last night and thats no joke.

                        No lane/gap discipline, horrible outdated schemes. Its time to give Capers some much needed time off, he obviously is still running plays from his Steelers/ Panthers days. Anybody still calling this guy a guru, is living in the past.

                        Offseason, whoever is available on Sea or SF defensive staff for a DC position SIGN HIM.
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