Soft & behind the times

[denverYooper]

Daniels was trying to be aggressive and he gifted Seattle 3 points.

There's aggressive and then there's undisciplined. I don't think the Packers know the difference. Seattle does.

[red]

I was thinking the EXACT same thing in the shower (where I have my greatest ideas) this morning... The only thing with him is he has alot of N-word baggage which might make a weird locker room dynamic, and loves to party he wouldnt make it in GB. But we need guys like him Incognito Lite.

perfect, theres barely any blacks on the offense to upset

[red]

Bring back Jolly. This team needs an edge. Not a bunch of thugs, but a couple of mean motherfuckers on both sides of the ball that can set the tone by smashing you in the face.

abso-fucking-lutely, we could really use the fire jolly brings

[denverYooper]

I would love to see Jolly back if the neck is ok.

[pbmax]

Fire?! This team needs fire?!

Fire got you Daniels fantastic punt block penalty. Fire got you Hayward's face mask on Wilson. Fire got you over pursuit and huge yardage on the counters.

This defense needs a brain.

But if they are going to line up in a 4-3, they could use Wayne Simmons 2.0 to line up over the TE.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was pretty cool when Perry knocked that TE Allen down right at the line of scrimmage to ruin his route.

[pbmax]

Defensive Alignment:

Although the Packers were in their traditional 3-4 defense on the Seahawks' first play from scrimmage, they used a 4-3 most of the time as their base look. Nose tackle Letroy Guion departed from the 3-4, and Mike Neal came in to join Julius Peppers at defensive end, with Matthews playing outside linebacker.

McGinn said this was the new base after one play in 3-4.

Neal - Jones - Daniels - Peppers
Jones - Hawk - Matthews
Williams - Hyde - Burnet - Shields


Anyone have the lineup for the nickel?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/273960821.html

[pbmax]

That was pretty cool when Perry knocked that TE Allen down right at the line of scrimmage to ruin his route.

If they are going to play a SAM linebacker, Perry might fit the bill more than Jones.

[denverYooper]

Greg Cosell piece Seattle's deception from Thursday: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...211356185.html

Behind the times indeed.

[Carolina_Packer]

Greg Cosell piece Seattle's deception from Thursday: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...211356185.html

Behind the times indeed.

That was a pretty good break down of what happened by Cosell. Save for the big plays, this game reminded me of the 49'ers playoff loss two years ago when Cap ran all over the field. It wasn't 579 or whatever that figure was, but the results were about the same as far as the defense being able to diagnose and react to plays. In both games they always looked caught "in between", like a hitter who half commits his swing because he can't pickup the ball well coming out of the pitcher's hand.

So now it's the age-old debate/discussion about whether the problem is scheme-related, talent-related, or some of both. Rage on.

[Pugger]

That was pretty cool when Perry knocked that TE Allen down right at the line of scrimmage to ruin his route.

Perry actually made a couple of plays the other night. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Greg Cosell piece Seattle's deception from Thursday: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...211356185.html

Behind the times indeed.

The "deception" included the Seattle center blocking downfield on the Lockette pass. The block downfield, which is a universal and immediate "run read," was never penalized: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...ouchdown-legal

[pbmax]

The "deception" included the Seattle center blocking downfield on the Lockette pass. The block downfield, which is a universal and immediate "run read," was never penalized: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...ouchdown-legal

Its been a bone of contention among defensive coaches for a long time, college and pro. Any run/pass read can feature that easily and it doesn't get called.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Its been a bone of contention among defensive coaches for a long time, college and pro. Any run/pass read can feature that easily and it doesn't get called.

But it does get called....sometimes...which is worse than not calling it ever. Either make it a rule or not.

[wist43]

Defensive Alignment:



McGinn said this was the new base after one play in 3-4.

Neal - Jones - Daniels - Peppers
Jones - Hawk - Matthews
Williams - Hyde - Burnet - Shields


Anyone have the lineup for the nickel?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/273960821.html

Over in the thread I started on defense, I broke down the alignments, but I didn't count LB's... was in a hurry, and just assumed that the players lurking behind the line were 2 LB's and the rest DB's. The "line" itself was comprised of only 2 down linemen, so without counting LB's and identifying who was actually on the field, the alignment looked like a 2-4.

So if that is the case, dunderdummy was running a 2-5 some of the time - predictably, they got completely run over. Our LB's suck, so why bend over backward to ensure that they are on the field 24/7?? The 2-5 was completely ineffetive when Fritz Shurmer introduced back in the 80's - it's still ineffective, and has no place in the NFL as a base.

Capers gameplan was a joke, and only 4 DL active was a joke... this defensive coaching staff has no idea what it is doing, and TT is okay apparently okay with that.