Starting Center

[Pugger]

On another forum there is a thread showing the O line's blocking in the Dolphin game and it isn't pretty. I hope this was just an abnormality or we might be trouble going forward against good defenses. Linsley had issues along with the veterans.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=555884

[Harlan Huckleby]

For what it's worth, Tom Silverstein said on radio today that he thought Tretter is a much better run blocker, particularly with athleticism to take-on linebackers. He thinks Packers will move him to starting lineup in three weeks.

I suppose Tretter could still be backup at other positions, Linsley brought in to center.

I'm just obsessed with perception that dropoff to Sherrod and Taylor is a cliff.

[pbmax]

On another forum there is a thread showing the O line's blocking in the Dolphin game and it isn't pretty. I hope this was just an abnormality or we might be trouble going forward against good defenses. Linsley had issues along with the veterans.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...c.php?t=555884

Those first two don't look good for Linsley. He missed a combo block on the LB each time. And each LB he missed made the tackle. First one could have been Q, but Linsley sauntered over to the missed LB late, Q headed right for the MLB.

[smuggler]

Based on how Tretter played in the preseason, and also that the offensive line has not achieved the GEL/MESH ideal, I think there's a good chance that Linsley will get pulled if/when he has another poor game (Detroit/Miami) and Tretter will remain the starter until he gets injured again.

[Fritz]

If the team starts training Tretter at tackle, we'll know they've given up on Derrick Sherrod.

I wonder what the idea was behind giving Sherrod six snaps in the Miami game as an extra blocker. Are they trying to get his confidence up? Just part of the offense? Is he going to catch a touchdown pass in the NFC Championship game?

[denverYooper]

I think there is a more general phenomenon at play here: the desire for a simple fix.

A lot of posters want to believe that one guy, the new guy on the line, is the one player that is causing the line play to be uneven. So now every mistake he makes -- maybe 2 on combos in those shots -- is magnified and blown up. But it looks to me like a lot was wrong across the line in general. It's not like this is a new problem now that Linsley is in. Think of the several Giants games where active, athletic linemen are just eating the OL's lunch and messing up the Packer game.

Linsley's not just a failing component that can be changed out to suddenly turn the OL into a smoothly functioning machine. He's just the new guy who made a rookie mistake of not mixing up the snap count, and even that might be more of a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

[Bossman641]

If the team starts training Tretter at tackle, we'll know they've given up on Derrick Sherrod.

I wonder what the idea was behind giving Sherrod six snaps in the Miami game as an extra blocker. Are they trying to get his confidence up? Just part of the offense? Is he going to catch a touchdown pass in the NFC Championship game?

I think they were just tired of seeing R Rodgers get mauled whenever he lined up as an inline TE and tried to block a DE or LB.

[Bretsky]

[QUOTE=Fritz;803252]If the team starts training Tretter at tackle, we'll know they've given up on Derrick Sherrod.

/QUOTE]


It is about time

[Rutnstrut]

I think there is a more general phenomenon at play here: the desire for a simple fix.

A lot of posters want to believe that one guy, the new guy on the line, is the one player that is causing the line play to be uneven. So now every mistake he makes -- maybe 2 on combos in those shots -- is magnified and blown up. But it looks to me like a lot was wrong across the line in general. It's not like this is a new problem now that Linsley is in. Think of the several Giants games where active, athletic linemen are just eating the OL's lunch and messing up the Packer game.

Linsley's not just a failing component that can be changed out to suddenly turn the OL into a smoothly functioning machine. He's just the new guy who made a rookie mistake of not mixing up the snap count, and even that might be more of a failure on the part of the coaching staff.

Great points, I agree totally.

[smuggler]

I pretty much completely disagree with denveryooper. Except on one point. Fans definitely hope that Tretter can play better than Linsley.

From my perspective, the whole line has been marginal, but part of that has been Linsley's play (varying between sub-replacement level and solid) and how the coaching staff has tiptoed around a rookie/backup center in the lineup.

If Tretter is as good as advertised, it would help improve the line, but wouldn't cure all the ills the unit has exibited.

There are no scouts that believe Linsley has superior athletecism, which is your criticism of the whole line, DY. ...

[denverYooper]

I pretty much completely disagree with denveryooper. Except on one point. Fans definitely hope that Tretter can play better than Linsley.

From my perspective, the whole line has been marginal, but part of that has been Linsley's play (varying between sub-replacement level and solid) and how the coaching staff has tiptoed around a rookie/backup center in the lineup.

If Tretter is as good as advertised, it would help improve the line, but wouldn't cure all the ills the unit has exibited.

There are no scouts that believe Linsley has superior athletecism, which is your criticism of the whole line, DY. ...

That was not my criticism of the whole line, though I did indicate they've had problems with athletic DL. My criticism is that GB's OL has always struggled to play cohesively under M3. I don't think that changing out 1 guy is going to remedy that. In fact, it could very well set them back again to re-set with a guy who has no live game experience. Linsley would probably have to grade out poorly on a regular basis for GB to make that switch.

To my untrained eye, more of the problems seem to be on the edges, rather than the interior of the OL. Maybe Tretter should play LT when he comes back.

[pbmax]

Pass blocking on the edges has been a problem, especially on the road. But the interior has added to the problem with some poor run blocking. Play cutups from one game don't mean he is horrid or that the issue is entirely his fault. But the tape belies the general sense you get from the press and the coaching staff that he is untouchable.

Tretter has his own hurdles to overcome, so it could easily play out that way, but not because Linsley has locked it down completely. Remember, according to the coaches and reporters, Bach locked down all his weaknesses during the offseason.

[ThunderDan]

I don't think Tretter is going to play LT. He played LT in the Ivy league not a, power conference.

[smuggler]

pbmax with the daggerpost

[Harlan Huckleby]

Whatever the final result, I think Patler has it covered.

the tape belies the general sense you get from the press and the coaching staff that he is untouchable.
Tretter has his own hurdles to overcome, so it could easily play out that way

pbmax with the daggerpost

pbmax has borrowed patler's double-edged dagger