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  • 1. JAMEIS WINSTON | Florida State 6036|231 lbs|3SO Bessemer, Ala. (Hueytown HS) 1/6/1994 (age 21) #5
    2012: Redshirted GRADE 1st Round 2013: (14/14) 257-384/66.9%/4,057/40/10 88/219/2.5/4
    MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 | Hand: 09 3/8 | Wingspan: 78 3/4 2014: (13/13) 305-467/65.3%/3,907/25/18 57/65/1.1/3 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.97 | 10-YD: 1.74 | 20-YD: 2.89 | VJ: 28 1/2 | BJ: 08’07” | SS: 4.36 | 3C: 7.16 Total: (27/27) 562-851/66.0%/7,964/65/28 145/284/2.0/7 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) PRONUNCIATION Jame-us
    BACKGROUND: A five-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Winston received offers from every program in the country, but narrowed his college choice to LSU, Alabama and Florida State, committing to the Seminoles prior to his senior year in 2011. He redshirted during E.J. Manuel’s senior year in 2012 and beat Jacob Coker for the starting job in 2013, leading FSU to an undefeated 14-0 record, including the 2013 BCS National Championship. He finished with 66.9% completions (257-for384) for 4,057 passing yards and a school-record 40 passing touchdowns, becoming the youngest player ever to win the Heisman Trophy winner. Winston was a consensus All-American and the ACC Player of the Year, also winning the Davey O’Brien and Walter Camp Player of the Year Award. His production decreased slightly in 2014 over 13 starts with 65.3% completions, 3907 passing yards, 25 passing touchdowns and 18 interceptions (second-most in FBS), although he did set a new single season school record with 305 completions and earned First Team All-ACC honors as a sophomore. Winston also earned two letters on the Florida State baseball team as a reliever and outfielder, finishing his collegiate career with a 1.94 ERA, nine saves and a 2-2 record over 60.1 innings (also a .208 batting average as a hitter). He decided to bypass his final two seasons of eligibility in Tallahassee and enter the 2015 NFL Draft.
    STRENGTHS: Prototypical size for the position with natural flexibility and body control…possesses the arm strength to deliver strikes to all levels of the field with effortless motion…understands timing and touch and knows how to control his ball speeds…good ball placement and has functional experience with tight-windowed throws…sees the field well with above average anticipation, routinely delivering before his targets are looking for the ball…good recognition pre-snap to check in/out of plays and post-snap to quickly read and make decisions – experienced calling audibles at the line based on defensive alignment…handles pressure well and does a great job keeping his eyes downfield and standing in the face of pressure – fearless and not easily spooked…terrific pocket movements and speeds up his process when needed, listening to his internal clock…doesn’t require a clean pocket and shows the natural footwork to maneuver around the noise with consistent eye level…resets well after pressure with portable framework to make throws when moved from his original spot…has the power and athleticism to be an effective scrambler with multiple gears, making it a challenge for defenders to square him up and finish him off…excellent toughness and can withstand a consistent beating, often playing through pain…intelligent and puts mistakes behind him easily…develops terrific chemistry with his targets, which is a testament to his practice routines…proven in clutch situations and plays at a high level when his team needs him the most with five come-from-behind victories on his résumé…his teammates and coaches love him and speak highly of his vocal leadership and supreme confidence on and off the field – loves football and has a genuine passion for the game…career 26-1 record as a starter, including 26 straight wins…holds the ACC career record for passing yards per game (295.0) and the Florida State records for yards per attempt (9.4) and 300-yard passing performances (14) – also second in FSU history in touchdown passes (65) and completion percentage (66.0%) and third in passing yards (7,964).
    WEAKNESSES: Inconsistent weight distribution in his passes at times with a less-than-ideal elongated delivery motion…throws the ball to the other team too much with 28 interceptions in 27 career starts…overly confident passer with a handful of poor decisions each game, forcing low-percentage throws into minuscule windows…needs to be more selective and mature with his decision-making – almost half (13) of his 28 interceptions came on first down…pass-first mentality, but indecisive at times to run if the yards are there for him, holding the ball too long…almost always dives head-first as a ballcarrier, not with his feet, which is a recipe for disaster…needs to eliminate the fumbles and improve his ball security, both in the pocket and when scrambling (13 career fumbles)…needs to tidy up play clock issues…bad habit of squinting on the field because he doesn’t wear contacts for his near-sighted vision…calls football his “passion” but he loves baseball as well and hasn’t ruled out playing professionally – drafted by the Texas Rangers in the 15th round of the 2012 MLB Draft, but didn’t sign…immature tendencies and reactions on the field – frustrated easily and had to be calmed down by FSU coaches on numerous occasions…strong red flags after several off-field incidents that require investigation, notably a sexual assault accusation (Dec. 2012), although the state attorney chose not to press charges due to lack of evidence – never missed any playing time…was cited for shoplifting crab legs (April 2014) and was suspended from the baseball team until he completed 20 hours of community service…was suspended for the Clemson game (Sept. 2014) after an on-campus incident when he stood on a table at the school’s Student Union and yelled a vulgar comment – other minor incidents including firing a BB gun at squirrels on campus and reportedly stealing soda at a fast food restaurant.
    SUMMARY: Winston became the first freshman with 4,000+ passing yards and 40+ touchdowns in FBS history, but his sophomore season showed some of his inconsistent decision making and turnover issues with 28 interceptions and 13 fumbles on his career résumé. Winston has NFL physical traits with his size, arm strength and enough mobility, but is most impressive in three critical areas: pocket maneuverability (presence and comfort with bullets buzzing past his ear), anticipation as a passer (throws receivers open with terrific touch) and clutch ability (the most focused and comfortable in tight moments). He shows immature and insecure habits off the field and teams need to figure out if he can be trusted or if there is a fundamental flaw in his psyche that suggests trouble will follow him, especially under constant media scrutiny in the NFL. Despite the off-field issues, the football field is his refuge and he’s been able to block out distractions and bounce back from mistakes. Although he isn’t on Andrew Luck’s level as an on-field NFL prospect, Winston is close as the game appears to come very natural to him and he has ideal physical traits for the NFL game. He has the talent and upside worth the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 NFL draft with a high NFL ceiling, but his immaturity and willingness to break the quarterback Hippocratic Oath (keep the team from harm) are wildcards, lowering his NFL floor.

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    • Not a surprise.....so what happens at 2?

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      • other thread ras

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        • Originally posted by red View Post
          other thread ras
          OFFICIAL-2015-NFL-DRAFT-THREAD isn't the thread?

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          • Originally posted by Rastak View Post
            OFFICIAL-2015-NFL-DRAFT-THREAD isn't the thread?
            no, joe wanted to steal my thunder and made an official day 1 thread

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            • Originally posted by pittstang5 View Post
              I have talked myself out of the Packers taking an ILB in the first 3 rounds. Either a D-lineman, CB or Rush OLB is going to fall to us and TT is going to have to take him - just my gut feeling.

              Furthermore, I think the top tier ILBs (Anthony, McKinney, Perryman, etc.) are going to be gone before the Packers pick in the 2nd. The rest of the ILBs I have going in the 4th and later.

              So, I'm doing a alot of last minute cramming on some ILBs that will be available in the later rounds.
              My list so far includes:

              Ben Heeney – Kansas
              Ramik Wilson - Georgia
              Jake Ryan – Michigan
              Bryce Hager – Baylor

              Out of those - Wilson and Ryan are becoming my favorites - especially Jake Ryan, he sounds like a TT pick.
              Great job as prognosticator, pittstang. You nailed it!
              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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              • i brought this subject up briefly in one of the many draft threads, and this guy seems to have also picked up on it



                shane ray and micheal sam, almost identical players. same position, same team, same coach, same system, same type of production. in fact, ray was sams backup until sam graduated.

                one got busted for drugs the week of the draft and slides but still goes in the first round. the other comes out as gay after being named SEC defensive player of the year, and goes with one of the last picks in the draft, and still can't find a job even though the on field talent and passion is there, not even as a backup special teams player

                it sure does seem like the nfl has a problem with gays, even though they say they don't

                message to other gay football players, "don't ask, don't tell"

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                • Originally posted by red View Post
                  i brought this subject up briefly in one of the many draft threads, and this guy seems to have also picked up on it



                  shane ray and micheal sam, almost identical players. same position, same team, same coach, same system, same type of production. in fact, ray was sams backup until sam graduated.

                  one got busted for drugs the week of the draft and slides but still goes in the first round. the other comes out as gay after being named SEC defensive player of the year, and goes with one of the last picks in the draft, and still can't find a job even though the on field talent and passion is there, not even as a backup special teams player

                  it sure does seem like the nfl has a problem with gays, even though they say they don't

                  message to other gay football players, "don't ask, don't tell"
                  Shane Ray didn't run 4.91 at the combine. Shane Ray also beat Sam in every measurable.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • Originally posted by red View Post
                    i brought this subject up briefly in one of the many draft threads, and this guy seems to have also picked up on it



                    shane ray and micheal sam, almost identical players. same position, same team, same coach, same system, same type of production. in fact, ray was sams backup until sam graduated.

                    one got busted for drugs the week of the draft and slides but still goes in the first round. the other comes out as gay after being named SEC defensive player of the year, and goes with one of the last picks in the draft, and still can't find a job even though the on field talent and passion is there, not even as a backup special teams player

                    it sure does seem like the nfl has a problem with gays, even though they say they don't

                    message to other gay football players, "don't ask, don't tell"
                    Don't know if I totally buy that, especially the part about 'on field talent'. Everything I've seen about Sams is that he was a marginal talent who was never seen as a player who would go in the first few rounds of the draft even before he came out.

                    I'd say he was hurt a lot more by running a 4.9 forty, follow by a > 5sec time at the veteran combine didn't help.
                    --
                    Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                    • Originally posted by red View Post
                      i brought this subject up briefly in one of the many draft threads, and this guy seems to have also picked up on it



                      shane ray and micheal sam, almost identical players. same position, same team, same coach, same system, same type of production. in fact, ray was sams backup until sam graduated.

                      one got busted for drugs the week of the draft and slides but still goes in the first round. the other comes out as gay after being named SEC defensive player of the year, and goes with one of the last picks in the draft, and still can't find a job even though the on field talent and passion is there, not even as a backup special teams player

                      it sure does seem like the nfl has a problem with gays, even though they say they don't

                      message to other gay football players, "don't ask, don't tell"
                      So you're accusing the entire NFL of bigotry. Sure you didn't miss anyone?
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                        Shane Ray didn't run 4.91 at the combine. Shane Ray also beat Sam in every measurable.
                        Well...Ray didn't run at all at the combine.
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                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                          Shane Ray didn't run 4.91 at the combine. Shane Ray also beat Sam in every measurable.
                          sam ran a 4.73 at his pro day, on the same track that ray ran a 4.68, i think it was

                          ray did 21 reps, sam did 19
                          ray had a 33 inch vert, sam had a 30

                          neither did any of the on field drills at the combine

                          other "measurables", ray is an inch taller, sam was 10 pounds heavier (but still considered too small to be a DE, not a problem for ray)

                          as the article mentions, the college stats were almost identical, the players were almost identical. when sam came out, people said he didn't test well, and you can't just judge a guy by what he did in college on film. when ray dissappointed at his pro day, the same people said, you can't look at the numbers, you can see on the game film how good he is

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                          • Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                            So you're accusing the entire NFL of bigotry. Sure you didn't miss anyone?
                            yeah, you asshat

                            nfl+1

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                            • Originally posted by red View Post
                              yeah, you asshat

                              nfl+1
                              Why not just accuse everyone, except of course yourself - you, the lone bastion of enlightenment, with vulgarity as a co-segregating trait. We here at Packerrats can only be grateful to god to have you as our moral compass.
                              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                              • Originally posted by red View Post
                                sam ran a 4.73 at his pro day, on the same track that ray ran a 4.68, i think it was

                                ray did 21 reps, sam did 19
                                ray had a 33 inch vert, sam had a 30

                                neither did any of the on field drills at the combine

                                other "measurables", ray is an inch taller, sam was 10 pounds heavier (but still considered too small to be a DE, not a problem for ray)

                                as the article mentions, the college stats were almost identical, the players were almost identical. when sam came out, people said he didn't test well, and you can't just judge a guy by what he did in college on film. when ray dissappointed at his pro day, the same people said, you can't look at the numbers, you can see on the game film how good he is
                                And just a year later, he's in the 5s. That must be bigotry-induced speed loss.
                                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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