Official Packers vs. Lions Discussion Thread

[Maxie the Taxi]

In 2013 Lacy ran for 99 yards in the first game against DET when DET had to respect the pass from ARod.
Lacy ran for 16 yards in the second game against DET when DET didn't have to respect the pass from Flynn.

Plus, I think this was a "revenge" game for the Lions against Flynn for his record-breaking game against them in 2012.

[3irty1]

I doubt the Lions would let him off the hook for anything less than a negotiated ten point loss. In reality that is a gift that MM should jump at. There are still 13 weeks left to be played, and this would be accepting the inevitable and avoiding a week's worth of season-ending injuries.

If Pete Carroll were our coach he would get us a tie. McCarthy just doesn't care about hard bargaining at the negotiating table and always resorts to the same three finesse tactics. The Lions' best alternative to negotiation is to whoop our ass and create an unrealistic expectation of dominance for their city and fanbase. A principled negotiator should be able to anchor with that.

[wist43]

Golden Tate is a mediocre #2 receiver IMO. Seattle let him walk without much of a struggle and they aren't exactly stacked at WR. Their #3 is Jeremy Ross? I'd take all of the Packers WRs over the Lions' except Johnson. Stafford is good, but not Rodgers good. Reggie Bush is who we've seen for 6-7 years now. Decent runner, good receiver. I'd take the GB RB group there, but not by much.

Hard to compare 3-4 (2-5, 1-6, amoeba...whatever) LBs to a 4-3 but as a group it's close I suppose. Give the Packers a good MLB and it's not nearly as close.

Packers secondary is better. I'm not sure even Lions fans would argue that.

You put a lot of stock in a team's Dline so that's probably your line of thinking on the matter?

Their DL habitually bitch-slaps our OL ballarina dancers - that is a huge, huge problem for us.

All other things being pretty equal - yes, that is probably the difference.

[wist43]

It is the Rodgers or no Rodgers comments that make the rest of what you write useless. You are so blind to what you want to see that you can't even admit that the Packers are a different team with ARod under center than Flynn.

Yes, last year we got our ass handed to us at DET. I would also submit that the Pack manhandled DET in GB earlier that year when we beat the Lions 22-9 and DET scored a TD at 2:06 in the fourth.

When we didn't have ARod we got killed (seemed to struggle big time last year without ARod) when DET didn't have Megatron they got killed. Stafford still was 25-40 for 262 and a TD (similar numbers to ARod that game).

Arod makes a huge difference - he makes it a contest.

So instead of scoring 10 pts, I see us scoring about 31 against them... yes, he makes a huge difference.

Our defense is still our defense - even with the changes and improvements we've made from last year... dunderdummy is still our DC - best he can be is okay; worst he can be is disaster.

45-31 Lions.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Their DL habitually bitch-slaps our OL ballarina dancers

The Packer OL is not soft

[Tony Oday]

Their DL habitually STOMPS our OL ballarina dancers - that is a huge, huge problem for us.

All other things being pretty equal - yes, that is probably the difference.

There I fixed it, then they get the boot from the game and we still win.

[George Cumby]

How many NFL teams have two starters on the defensive line as bad as Datone Jones and Letroy Guion? I'm guessing none.

That said, I expect both those guys to get better through the season. And if Guion plateaus maybe Pennel can do the job by end of regular season.

Is D. Jones really that bad? I thought he was making strides?

[Fritz]

I don't agree with Wist's characterization of the Packer line as "ballerinas"; in the case of Bahkteria at LT I wish it were so. I'm afraid Ziggy Ansah is far too quick for Bahk, and it won't be long before MM will have to shift help over to the left side. That will leave Sherrod on an island, and that could be troublesome. At the least, it'll mean keeping more guys in to block, thus not allowing GB's superior receiving corps to take advantage of the weak Lion secondary.

The good news is that Ansah did not practice yesterday.

Who knows what the hell with happen? I am hoping that the Packer defense actually shows up, from the beginning of the game, this time. Another shitty performance from that unit and my hopes for this season will be severely deflated, because that'll mean MM's whole new emphasis is just a bag of hot air.

[Zool]

To piggy back on Fritz's idea, I hope the O and D show up at the start. This will be a shoot out.

[Fritz]

I will be anchored to my couch Sunday, my blood pressure skying. Especially when I watch the Packer defense.

[Tony Oday]

Stafford will be sacked 5 times

[Fritz]

That would be a recipe for a win, as long as the offense does its part. I hope you are right, TO.

[hoosier]

If Pete Carroll were our coach he would get us a tie. McCarthy just doesn't care about hard bargaining at the negotiating table and always resorts to the same three finesse tactics. The Lions' best alternative to negotiation is to whoop our ass and create an unrealistic expectation of dominance for their city and fanbase. A principled negotiator should be able to anchor with that.

Not the switch again!!!

[Freak Out]

No turnovers and the Packers win this.

[Carolina_Packer]

Clearly Casey Hayward has not been doing his yoga. Good thing the Packers have depth at cornerback, too bad none of the other guys have been very good at creating turnovers. If the Packers can find a way to get Rodgers time he is going to light up the Lions secondary.

Be a threat with the run game and Rodgers will have time too. Stay out of 3rd and longs, put their offense in 3rd and long and generate that pressure.