PERSONELL EXPERTS COLOR PACKERS a 8-8 TEAM

[wist43]

But I think they are also considering the other NFC teams too.
Last year everybody was on board with GB being the elite of the NFC North
I still think we are; but there are MANY in the industry not on board with that
Some think the Lions will win the NFC north and many are picking the Bears
Last year it was all about GB and many of those same pundits were picking GB to the Super Bowl

Overall, the Lions have better personnel than we do... it all comes down to Stafford vs. Rodgers.

If Stafford has truly improved his game, the Lions should win the division.

Chicago is just below us I think, but they have more skill position talent than we do.

Minnesota losing Peterson kills them, so they're not in the conversation anymore.

[pbmax]

One of Bob's longtime sources is Bill Polian. He's not the only one, but this took time to do, so has to be someone he knows well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brown, with corn - bad player, but colorful.

That works. But I would use this for a new player who hasn't fully digested the packer system.

Also, as to whether the player has any future at all in NFL, you might go with floaters and sinkers.

[Packgator]

That's the best McGinn and the journal can come up with on a game day Sunday morning? McGinn referred to the person he interviewed as an "expert", an "executive", and a "scout".

The article is about individual/position personnel as some "unnamed expert/executive/scout" views things. The "unnamed expert/executive/scout" picked Minnesota to win the NFC North. The "unnamed expert/executive/scout " must think Minnesota is the best team with the best personnel in the division. I'd like to know what team the unnamed "expert/executive/scout" works for. I hope he has a lifetime contract with them.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Put your name to it, or else it could all just be Bob's agenda.

If you think McGinn is a sleazeball, then ignore it. If you think McGinn has been an honest pundit over years, then trust him. Your choice.

I have no problem with an anonymous analyst. His employer undoubtedly doesn't want the organization's views on players known.

[Joemailman]

from the article....

"An experienced executive in personnel for a National Football League team thinks there is.

In an extended interview last week, the personnel man assigned a grade to each of the Packers' 60 players for the Journal Sentinel and broke down the roster position-by-position. Selected because of his level of expertise and success in the NFL, he has studied the Packers this summer, this September and for years before that."

Put your name to it, or else it could all just be Bob's agenda. This is not legal case where comments would put the person in jeopardy, so why not put a name to it? Weak stuff that tries and succeeds to gain clicks, but has a weak basis without a named source.

I'm hoping it's Matt Millen.

[wist43]

You guys get so offended that football nation doesn't acknowledge that the Packers have 60 pro bowlers, lol...

I think we got a lot of SB hype in the preseason b/c everyone thinks we should be better - afterall, we have arguably the best QB in the league; but when reality sets in, the flaws are there for everyone to see.

[Tyrion Lannister]

I'm hoping it's Matt Millen.

McGinn is a good reporter. I am sure he adheres to strict journalism ethics, and he would not have made up a source out of the blue.

It seems like McGinn's Deep Throat currently is employed by an NFL team.

"Selected because of his level of expertise and success in the NFL, he has studied the Packers this summer, this September and for years before that...His preseason pick to win the NFC North was Minnesota. "

Using inductive reasoning, I've come to the conclusion that this Deep Throat is none other than Rick Spielman, GM of the Vikings, or "Queens."

Believe it or not, the Vikings actually experienced success under Speilman. They were 13-3 or something like that one season, reached the NFC Title game and, if not for a Brad Childress fuck up late in the game (illegal substitution, I think, to put the Queens out of fg range), they would've made the SB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

[pbmax]

You guys get so offended that football nation doesn't acknowledge that the Packers have 60 pro bowlers, lol...

I think we got a lot of SB hype in the preseason b/c everyone thinks we should be better - afterall, we have arguably the best QB in the league; but when reality sets in, the flaws are there for everyone to see.

Your mind reading powers are at low ebb this morning. I am less offended that he doesn't see 60 Packer Pro Bowlers than I am that he sees the Vikings winning the Division.

[red]

i would think we are a 9-7 or 10-6 type of team

i see the lions and bears as teams on the rise, while i honestly see us as regressing if anything

a-rod seems to be regressing, even though he had a huge day last week. he's making a lot of dumb decisions all of a sudden, almost like no one is willing to tell him "NO". and i find it absolutely shocking that our special teams and defense both seem to be almost worse then they were last year when they were both horrible

lets also no forget the year is still young, even though we've already lost a good amount of players for the year the usual packer injury bug hasn't fully hit yet this year.we're due some more major injuries before the season is over. its just the packer way

[Tyrion Lannister]

I think the article was fair - but I'm biased b/c the guy is saying a lot of what I've been saying for a while now.

I think more highly of Nelson that he apparently does; I agree that we are going to struggle to stop the run all year - he doesn't address philosophy in this regard, only evaluates the players, but the players are a reflection of the Packer philosophy that says stopping the run is only an incidental aspect of the game.

He gives higher grades to the OL than I would - but the same issue exists here as with the run defense. The players might be better than what they produce, but MM doesn't put them in good positions to excel b/c he is back to only calling 3 running plays again. When he went to a more diverse play sheet, and incorporated power plays, the OL responded, Lacy improved, and suddenly we had a little bit of a running game.

He rips the ILB's - but of course Stevie Wonder can see how pathetic they are. 1265 can't see it, but everyone else can. I think he is too lenient on the DB's. Burnett looks the part, but the guy simply doesn't make plays. Has the tackling improved?? Couldn't be any worse than last year... seems a bit better, we'll see. I haven't viewed Williams as being in decline - hope he's not.

At the end of the day, the Packers are all about Aaron Rodgers. We have Rodgers, Nelson, and Matthews that are pro bowl caliber players; we have a handful of players just below that level - Shields, Williams, Lacy, and I think maybe Daniels.

On offense, the OL is average across the board and the depth is poor; Cobb is okay, but the other receivers are below average at this point; the TE's are junk.

On defense, there are some good players up front, but of course they are not used to their strengths. I think Perry and D. Jones are better than what they are producing, but I put that on dunderdummy; the DB depth might be okay, but between TT playing musical chairs and injuries it is a stretch to think that unit can be consistently effective against top-flight competition.

I had us at 11-5 this year... and we can maybe still get to that level, but we are still a flawed team. I thought we might have the talent to at least be in the conversation for a Superbowl, but the Packers flawed philosophies haven't been addressed, and the players don't seem to be developing and stepping up.

8-8 is still a bit harsh... with Rodgers we should be in the 9-7 to 11-5 range; but I don't see how we can advance past the more phsycial teams that are philosophically sound. They just beat us up, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Good post. But I can't recall how many times I've read quotes from Capers about stopping the run being top priority with his defense.

I don't think Capers' philosophy toward stopping the run is "only an incidental aspect of the game." The DL and ILBs suck along with the safeties. That's on the GM.

[wist43]

Your mind reading powers are at low ebb this morning. I am less offended that he doesn't see 60 Packer Pro Bowlers than I am that he sees the Vikings winning the Division.

Yeah, the Viking thing is a head scratcher... I figured they'd be vastly improved, but win the division??

As for my mind reading powers - I have a terrible hangover, lol... I never, or at least rarely drink, but my brother had a big birthday bash last night, and I stayed about 3 drinks too long

[Packgator]

You guys get so offended that football nation doesn't acknowledge that the Packers have 60 pro bowlers

Not offended. Just think the guy is an idiot for picking the Vikings to win the division.

[pbmax]

a-rod seems to be regressing, even though he had a huge day last week. he's making a lot of dumb decisions all of a sudden, almost like no one is willing to tell him "NO". and i find it absolutely shocking that our special teams and defense both seem to be almost worse then they were last year when they were both horrible

Football Outsiders rank the Packer Special Teams 2nd overall through week 2. Its the highest ranked Unit on the team (Offense 10th, Defense 23rd).