THE FAB FOUR at 1-2

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah this is a very boring game. Crazy stat, but did anyone else see the graphic they threw up earlier? MM is second behind Sean Payton for most points per game average with at least 100 games coached. I guess we can't really talk about his play calling to much, though there sure do seem to be some head scratchers from time to time.

Like all statistics, you can make them mean almost whatever you want. I'd like to know how many points were scored the first 5 years vs the last 5 years for both coaches. Also, how many points vs poor teams compared to how many points for elite teams. Also, how many points in the playoffs compared to other playoff teams. I think both Payton and Stubby are living now off their past success.

[channtheman]

Like all statistics, you can make them mean almost whatever you want. I'd like to know how many points were scored the first 5 years vs the last 5 years for both coaches. Also, how many points vs poor teams compared to how many points for elite teams. Also, how many points in the playoffs compared to other playoff teams. I think both Payton and Stubby are living now off their past success.

Good point, and I agree. I'd like to see those numbers too. I wonder how much MM benefitted from the 15-1 season when Rodgers was lighting everyone up all year.

[denverYooper]

It's time you guys recognize that M3 is a master coach. This wasn't selective sampling they were doing. He was second all time in ppg with a minimum of 100 games. Compared to every other coach in the history of the game. Guess what? A lot of other dominant teams got to feast on "poor teams" as well. M3's put up 30+ on the 9ers D when it was widely considered one of the best in the league. In the superbowl year, he fashioned a running game out of 2 fullbacks and a TE for most of the season. And he coaches an outdoor, northern team, not a dome team. Yeah, he has Rodgers but he helped develop Rodgers into the player that he is. They still managed to be a top offense last year with Matt Flynn! Guess what? They found a running game when that was what they had to do, and Lacy ended up as ROY. You know what the constant was? M3. He's way better at scoring points than you, me, and everyone but Payton. He's got a ring, he loves Golden Corral, and he doesn't give a fuck what you think. He's just going to keep scoring points and wiping his ass with your cutesy arguments about why he's not an outstanding coach.

Man, you guys are a thick bunch sometimes.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

It's time you guys recognize that M3 is a master coach. This wasn't selective sampling they were doing. He was second all time in ppg with a minimum of 100 games. Compared to every other coach in the history of the game. Guess what? A lot of other dominant teams got to feast on "poor teams" as well. M3's put up 30+ on the 9ers D when it was widely considered one of the best in the league. In the superbowl year, he fashioned a running game out of 2 fullbacks and a TE for most of the season. And he coaches an outdoor, northern team, not a dome team. Yeah, he has Rodgers but he helped develop Rodgers into the player that he is. They still managed to be a top offense last year with Matt Flynn! Guess what? They found a running game when that was what they had to do, and Lacy ended up as ROY. You know what the constant was? M3. He's way better at scoring points than you, me, and everyone but Payton. He's got a ring, he loves Golden Corral, and he doesn't give a fuck what you think. He's just going to keep scoring points and wiping his ass with your cutesy arguments about why he's not an outstanding coach.

Man, you guys are a thick bunch sometimes.

You forgot old.

MM is not a good head coach. Is he a good offensive coach? Maybe. But if he was a good head coach, slocum and capers would have been gone by now.

[Joemailman]

Good point, and I agree. I'd like to see those numbers too. I wonder how much MM benefitted from the 15-1 season when Rodgers was lighting everyone up all year.

Right. Because McCarthy had nothing to do with the fact that Rodgers was lighting everyone up all year.

[denverYooper]

You forgot old.

Nice.

MM is not a good head coach. Is he a good offensive coach? Maybe. But if he was a good head coach, slocum and capers would have been gone by now.

Look. The defense gives me the willies and I've been on board with a new DC for a couple of years. But it's awful hard to make the argument that M3's not a good head coach, either. He's 20th all time in win pct at .645 and he has a superbowl ring. Those metrics alone make him "good" as an HC vs 457 other coaches below him. He's in the 95th percentile. That's not HOF-worthy, but pretty damn good. Another ring and a couple more years of winning will make him "great".

[3irty1]

You can be as good a head coach as MM but you can't be better.

There will always be a group of fans, especially for a team like the Packers, that love the team too much to ever tolerate its association with mortals. Their favorite player is just the one they hate the least, as none of them will ever truly befit the G on their helmet. They believe there is always a clear combination of decisions that will immediately yield a superbowl and every year it doesn't happen its time for a change of leadership. They don't know who they'd rather have but in their minds this is a trivial matter. Addition by subtraction! There is always a reserve pool of unknown football geniuses out there delivering pizzas who would be an improvement.

At least I like to think of it as a blinding lust for winning. It's either that or just unfathomable hubris coupled with a messy divorce from reality. Like reality took the house and the kids and your dog.