McGinn: Hawk, Epitome of Mediocrity

[gbgary]

gashed up the middle again. he's part of the problem but by no means is he the whole problem. got to concentrate on d line, mlb, and o line, next draft.

[Tyrion Lannister]

gashed up the middle again. he's part of the problem but by no means is he the whole problem. got to concentrate on d line, mlb, and o line, next draft.

They ran at Hawk all day. Hawk was more worthless than Brad Jones.

[Zool]

I reluctantly signed off on the Hawk pick b/c I figured he at least wouldn't be a bust

I'm just glad they asked for your opinion.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Hawk Is not going anywhere this season or next so bitching about him isn't going to accelerate his departure. We have NO inside backers. Zero. They all suck. Do you think TT is going to suddenly find two high quality starters in one offseason? Not a chance. Hawk is way more valuable than Lattimore, Barrington, and Bradford. So the goal is going to be to replace that bunch before Hawk. Hawk has one more year left on his deal after this season and then hes gone. Ideally we find a great player someone this offseason to play next to Hawk in 2015 and then hope to get lucky with at least a decent player the year after that.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can we upgrade Hawk as a player? Sure. He's not a playmaker...he's pedestrian as an athlete on an NFL field. However, Hawk is highly respected in the locker room and is almost like having a coach on the field. He is constantly directing players where to go and has been getting them in the right spot more often than not this year. So, if you bring in a guy who is a better player...but who is unable to direct those around him to get the defense set up correctly...have you really improved anything?

To me, writing about upgrading Hawk is a bottom of the barrel article for a guy like McGinn. Fans have been saying this shit for YEARS. However, there are a few other positions on the team where an upgrade would have more of an impact. Look at the impact Ha Ha has made on this defense. Was McGinn touting that upgrade anywhere? To me, that was FAR more important than fixing the Hawk situation.

IMO, Bob McGinn's writing at this point is more mediocre than AJ Hawk.

I used to buy into the argument that Hawk is like a coach out there, but not any more. If he's lining guys up in the right spots, why is the run defense such garbage? Is it that everyone else sucks at stopping the run? I just don't think Hawk is as cerebral as he is given credit for. Sure he's a leader in the locker room, and rarely gets hurt but on the field he's just not making a difference in any aspect that I can see.

Hawk Is not going anywhere this season or next so bitching about him isn't going to accelerate his departure. We have NO inside backers. Zero. They all suck. Do you think TT is going to suddenly find two high quality starters in one offseason? Not a chance. Hawk is way more valuable than Lattimore, Barrington, and Bradford. So the goal is going to be to replace that bunch before Hawk. Hawk has one more year left on his deal after this season and then hes gone. Ideally we find a great player someone this offseason to play next to Hawk in 2015 and then hope to get lucky with at least a decent player the year after that.

This is the reality. I'd like the Pack to get a new ILB high in this next draft but that position isn't that strong in the upcoming draft. There's guys that will be available in the late 1st, early 2nd but no real studs. So it's easy to say to draft a replacement for Hawk, but it may not even be possible.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I used to buy into the argument that Hawk is like a coach out there, but not any more. If he's lining guys up in the right spots, why is the run defense such garbage? Is it that everyone else sucks at stopping the run? I just don't think Hawk is as cerebral as he is given credit for. Sure he's a leader in the locker room, and rarely gets hurt but on the field he's just not making a difference in any aspect that I can see.




This is the reality. I'd like the Pack to get a new ILB high in this next draft but that position isn't that strong in the upcoming draft. There's guys that will be available in the late 1st, early 2nd but no real studs. So it's easy to say to draft a replacement for Hawk, but it may not even be possible.

You can get lucky. Doesn't always have to be a high pick. Bowman was a 3rd rounder (DPoY), Wagner was a 2nd, KJ wright was a 4th, Lavonte David was a 2nd, Alonzo (solid rookie year before getting hurt) was a 2nd, Sean Lee was a 2nd, etc etc. Heck even our own Bishop was a 6th. You just have to find them.

[Patler]

The run defense sucked last night not because of Hawk, but in addition to Hawk.

HHC-D too-often looked like a rookie safety still needing to learn how to tackle NFL running backs in the open (which, of course, he is).
The other DBs also had their embarrassing moments as well.
LBs other than Hawk were no where to be seen near the line of scrimmage, and when seen they were carried for 2-5 yards before getting Ingram down.
The D-line was not stacking things up, or being disruptive to blocking patterns. Either would have helped.

Hawk may have been awful in run D last night, but so was everyone else at one time or another.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

The run defense sucked last night not because of Hawk, but in addition to Hawk.

HHC-D too-often looked like a rookie safety still needing to learn how to tackle NFL running backs in the open (which, of course, he is).
The other DBs also had their embarrassing moments as well.
LBs other than Hawk were no where to be seen near the line of scrimmage, and when seen they were carried for 2-5 yards before getting Ingram down.
The D-line was not stacking things up, or being disruptive to blocking patterns. Either would have helped.

Hawk may have been awful in run D last night, but so was everyone else at one time or another.

I love HHCD. Say what you will about his missed tackles, but his aggressiveness is fun to watch. As he develops in year two and three he has potential to be a probowler. I think TT hit on him.

[Patler]

I love HHCD. Say what you will about his missed tackles, but his aggressiveness is fun to watch. As he develops in year two and three he has potential to be a probowler. I think TT hit on him.

I like him too, but he was the problem on run D for several plays last night. Not surprising, being a rookie and all; but the problem on those plays nonetheless.

[wist43]

You can get lucky. Doesn't always have to be a high pick. Bowman was a 3rd rounder (DPoY), Wagner was a 2nd, KJ wright was a 4th, Lavonte David was a 2nd, Alonzo (solid rookie year before getting hurt) was a 2nd, Sean Lee was a 2nd, etc etc. Heck even our own Bishop was a 6th. You just have to find them.

Most of those guys are guys I was high on and wanted TT to draft - instead he passes on them for players at other positions.

He took Hawk at #5 all those years ago, but other than that he hasn't invested much of anything at the ILB position his entire time here.

To be sure, the Packers brain trust has a peculiar approach to how they view their front seven; and it's been that way for many, many years... don't know where it comes from, but it seems to be an institutional thing.

[red]

Most of those guys are guys I was high on and wanted TT to draft - instead he passes on them for players at other positions.

He took Hawk at #5 all those years ago, but other than that he hasn't invested much of anything at the ILB position his entire time here.

To be sure, the Packers brain trust has a peculiar approach to how they view their front seven; and it's been that way for many, many years... don't know where it comes from, but it seems to be an institutional thing.

And they didnt invest in an ILB back then either. They invested the #5 pick in a 4-3 weakside LB

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Players available if picking 32nd in every round from 2010 to 2012. Fun to think about...all these guys were actually there lol. I know its impossible to do but still fun.

2010:
1st: Rob Gronkowski
2nd: NaVorro Bowman
3rd: Geno Atkins
4th: Kam Chancellor
5th: Antonio Brown

2010 was loaded with talent.


2011:
1st: Randall Cobb
2nd: Justin Houston
3rd: Jordan Cameron
4th: Richard Sherman
5th: Bryon Maxwell

2012:
1st: Bobby Wagner
2nd: Casey Hayward
3rd: Mike Daniels
4th:Jeremy Lane
5th: Alfred Morris

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Yeck 2013 picking 32nd in each round:

1st: Darius Slay
2nd: Terron Armstead
3rd: David Bahkitari
4rd: Kenny Stills
5th: Andre Ellington

[wist43]

I'm just glad they asked for your opinion.

Sand in your vagina??

[Fosco33]

Hawk may bring leadership/vet appeal and communication. But I've been saying for a long time here that he's a soft pillow for opponents to land on. There are way too many plays where he takes a bad angle and his coverage is poor at best.

If they found the magic pony of leadership and upgraded athleticism - I think the brass would've done so by now.