Midseason Night Grades

[Tyrion Lannister]

Jennifer lawrence is a hag

And WAY overrated as an actress imo

Red, stop watching Hunger Games, and go watch something like Silver Linings Playbook. I do like Hungers games b/c of its revolutionary agenda, and Lawrence herself. Silver Linings, toward the end, it turns into a chick flick, but Jennifer Lawrence's acting in the film is splendid. That's why she won an Oscar for the role.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Could be. I don't remember Capers talking about it, but I don't remember very many of the excuses, I mean explanations Capers gives!

Didn't the Bears kind of go after Shields a bit, and complete a bunch of passes to his guy? I seem to remember McGinn or someone pointing that out.

I think Shields has been OK, but not close to pro bowl level, and certainly not a $10M man. Still his typical frail self physically, which, of course, is not his fault just a reality with him..

I think JSO posted Capers' explanation in one of their blogs the day after the game.

Shields is playing well and he's NOT overpaid, imho. In another thread, you said that House is worth 6M/yr to some teams. Shields is way better than House. Shields probably would start for most NFL teams. House, maybe 3 or 4 other teams.

[Patler]

I think JSO posted Capers' explanation in one of their blogs the day after the game.

Shields is playing well and he's NOT overpaid, imho. In another thread, you said that House is worth 6M/yr to some teams. Shields is way better than House. Shields probably would start for most NFL teams. House, maybe 3 or 4 other teams.

I don't believe I said House is worth $6M, I believe I said he might get $6M. There is a difference. I also said that I don't think the Packers will pay him that much. I normally talk about what a player might receive, not what he is worth, because I have no idea what any player is really worth. Because of circumstances on a particular team, a player might get a much larger contract from one team than what most teams would pay him. Does that make him "worth" the higher contract? In that thread, I think I also said that a team without a lot of large contracts and a need at CB could easily decide to give the $ to House to be their starter.

I think Shields is an example of that. GB really needed to keep him at the time. Hawk's last contract when negotiated was, too. Probably TJ Lang, too. With the state of the Packer's O-line at the time, they really needed to keep Lang, and since they had the ability to do it under the cap, they probably paid him more than most teams might have been willing to at that time. I think it can be argued that the same thing happened with Finley, although on a short contract the concept of a player's "worth" can be skewed. Flynn's contract with Seattle is another example. I know Clay Matthews is worth $2M/year, but is he worth more than $13M? Is he worth almost 10% more than any other LB in average salary just because GB paid him that much? I doubt it, although he might have had more takers at that amount than just GB.

Even if you believe Shields is "way better", the difference between $10M/yr and $6M/yr is quite a bit. Shields average salary is the 6th highest among CBs on this years' list. Something around a $6M average would be around 18th on this year's list, probably a few notches lower for next year, when negotiated. A team identifying House to be a starter for them should be willing to pay that, and I think he has a decent chance of finding that type of team.

[KYPack]

We all knew it was you, Tanky.

Why is it you are banned from all these Packer forums again?

Foolish comments meant only to disrupt or being a potty mouth?

Yeah, go over to Striker's forum, there at least a dozen guys over there that hate your guts.

Let's leave the question to that voice of reason, Pugger. She usually has the right idea when the rest of us get too full of testosterone. Wadda say Pug, ban Tanky or hang him?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I can't get worked up about Tank. I'm starting a committee to ban Pugger. Everybody needs a cause.

[Pugger]

I can't get worked up about Tank. I'm starting a committee to ban Pugger. Everybody needs a cause.

Why me??? You got something against women like tank does?

[red]

Red, stop watching Hunger Games, and go watch something like Silver Linings Playbook. I do like Hungers games b/c of its revolutionary agenda, and Lawrence herself. Silver Linings, toward the end, it turns into a chick flick, but Jennifer Lawrence's acting in the film is splendid. That's why she won an Oscar for the role.

Saw it. Wasnt impressed with her in that either. She has no clue how to show emotion on screen

And looks wise. I give her a 5 maybe 6 out of ten

Even her leaked nude pics dont do anything for me

[3irty1]

Saw it. Wasnt impressed with her in that either. She has no clue how to show emotion on screen

And looks wise. I give her a 5 maybe 6 out of ten

Even her leaked nude pics dont do anything for me

I've got to agree. She's better at acting than she is in the looks department but that's not saying a ton. 5 or 6 is harsh but definitely nothing special. I thought her best work was American Hustle.

[wist43]

Stubby D+

He has Rodgers and that gets him over, but he's done nothing in terms of scheme and playcalling to improve the running game. Last year, sans Rodgers, he incorporated more power running and the run game improved dramatically; now with Rodgers back, he's back to his same old 3 zone plays.

In the passing game he is still very good, but predictable - and his playcalling is entirely predictable.

Capers D

He's not calling nearly as much 2-4, thank God!!! But he does far too many unsound things, and players are out of position far too often - you guys all like to blame the players, but more than anything - that's coaching. Don't think we can win another SB as long as Capers is our DC - 2010 was a fluke. A perfect storm of Capers playing with guys he inherited, and our opponents being flawed enough for us to get through. Unfortunately, solid, well-built teams stand in our way now, and we can't compete with them b/c of Capers and his philosophies.

Offense C

We're 19th in yds, 26th in TOP, 6th in scoring. It's all about Rodgers and the WR's. Our TE's are junk, our OL is below average. Lacy is a stud, but unless Stubby gets his head out of his ass and begins to incorporate more power running plays, Lacy won't be much of a factor.

It's all about Rodgers.

Defense D-

We're 26th in yds allowed, 23rd in scoring defense, and dead last in rushing defense at 153.5 yds/game - on a pace to give up more that 2400 yds rushing!!! WOW, just WOW!!!

I like a lot of the players, but we're simply too small and undermanned up front now. Capers is running more Elephant than anything else it looks like, but we really don't have the DL to run that full-time, just as we didn't have the LB's to run the 2-4 full-time. Capers simply can't help himself - he seems incapable of using the personnel he has to the best of their ability.

Our ILB's are complete junk. Missed tackles, bad angles, late to react in coverage... on and on. Hard to run a LB dominant scheme when your LB's suck. The back end has been cleaned up for the most part, but we're still soft, and poor tackling, while not an epidemic like years past, is still an issue.

The Packers have absolutely no identity on defense, and their preference to play as small as possible, concede the run, and inability to make adjustments spells disaster in the long run.

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We should make the playoffs, but this team is still flawed in the same ways it has been in the past 3-4 years. They've made some changes on defense, but the same flawed philosophies, and flawed coaching stayed in place - and that is evident on the field. You can't give up 150+ yds/game on the ground and hold out any hope of winning a SB... not unless you get insanely lucky.

And Stubby's stubbornness with respect to his anemic running game is going to cost us against the big boys. He can get away his pitter-patter running game against weak sisters, but against the tough, disciplined defenses we will likely see in the playoffs - we're not going anywhere unless Stubby gets his head out of his ass and makes the necessary adjustments.

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Bottom line is - I don't see us having the right formula to win a SB this year. We'll make the playoffs, and Rodgers gives us a fighting chance against anyone, but realistically we just don't have the right pieces in place. Philosophically, we're simply too flawed.

[George Cumby]

I think Wist has pretty much summed it up. I disagree with his point the horses aren't there I think they are (with the exception of IlBs) I just think the coaches aren't maximizing the players' potential/putting them in a place to succeed.

Either playoff success this year or heads should roll, which should have happened last off season.

Beating the same dead horses year in and year out is SO tiresome. It really makes discussions here not much fun.

[Striker]

We all knew it was you, Tanky.

Why is it you are banned from all these Packer forums again?

Foolish comments meant only to disrupt or being a potty mouth?

Yeah, go over to Striker's forum, there at least a dozen guys over there that hate your guts.

Let's leave the question to that voice of reason, Pugger. She usually has the right idea when the rest of us get too full of testosterone. Wadda say Pug, ban Tanky or hang him?

He wouldn't last a second over at BSS. Though Brauny was quite heavy handed dumping a lot of posters he didn't like (Cheezer et al), he was also good at keeping the likes of Tank at bay as well.

Though BSS will likely fold in the next few months and those remaining there will probably come over here.

It's cute that he justifies his trolling as satire still though. I guess it's too difficult to go against the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

And even though he says otherwise, I think the only reason he comes here is because it's the only place he isn't insta-banned.

[Bossman641]

Wist, I'm not trying to bait you or anything, just curious what NFC teams you like at this point? If I remember correctly, before the season started you were singing the praises of Rob Ryan and the Saints D. They haven't looked too great.

I am guessing you like SF and Seattle? Or do you think Az and Dallas are for real?

[George Cumby]

As soon as Tyrion showed up it was pretty obvious who he was, a Troll disguised as an Imp, a Clouseau-like disguise. I say let him stick around until he becomes disruptive. He generates discussion and livens the place up a little bit. Who knows, maybe he's grown up a bit, I doubt it, but one can hope

[Striker]

Bottom line is - I don't see us having the right formula to win a SB this year. We'll make the playoffs, and Rodgers gives us a fighting chance against anyone, but realistically we just don't have the right pieces in place. Philosophically, we're simply too flawed.

This might be the one season where the Packers flaws don't "automatically" sink them. Every team in the NFC has some pretty huge flaws this season. While they beat the Packers and Broncos at home, the Seahawks are barely treading water. The 49ers are a mess. The Cardinals have a good chance to take that division. And they still all have to beat up on each other a bunch in the next month.

The NFC South seems to be a joke. The Saints look nigh invincible at home but on the road...good lord.

The East should come down to the Eagles and Cowboys...and I'd bet on the Cowboys (Foles is still crazy erratic).

And the North will come down the Lions and Packers...and the Lions are barely limping through.

I think the NFC will be Cowboys/Cardinals/Packers/Saints/Eagles/49ers. The Packers should get at least one or two wins in the playoffs if they get home games (where the defense has looked far better).

Of course, one injury to any of those teams could still change everything.

[Harlan Huckleby]

As soon as Tyrion showed up it was pretty obvious who he was, a Troll disguised as an Imp, a Clouseau-like disguise. I say let him stick around until he becomes disruptive. He generates discussion and livens the place up a little bit. Who knows, maybe he's grown up a bit, I doubt it, but one can hope

More love for Tyrion.

I tell you, that Tyrion is a real people pleaser, a natural politician.

I have a very high tolerance for trolls, but I came from a bad family where conflict is considered normal. I probably don't belong with all these nice people either.