GB gave away its chance to improve run defense

[Patler]

A big mistake?

Ryan Pickett has been more than just a player signed off the free agent pool for the Houston Texans. He has been a difference maker for the defense, but he brings another leader to the locker room and a veteran that eases the locker room with his big smile. With a Texans’ beanie on his head, Pickett was laughing non-stop and sitting by his locker taking questions from the media.

The Texans nose tackle, at 340 lbs., has been a welcomed sight, but he was all but ready to all but hang up the cleats after sitting at home.
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Since Pickett has arrived, he has be part of a team that has improved their rush defense to 88.2 yards a game and 3.4 yards a rush. Without the massive nose tackle, the Texans were giving up 141.6 yards a game on the ground and 5.3 yards a rush. Even Bill O’Brien has taken notice of his veteran nose tackle’s impact.

“He’s played a big role. He’s played a big role in the 3-4.” said O’Brien. “He’s gotten in better and better football condition since he’s arrived.“

“He’s a 340 pound guy, tough to move. He’s got good instincts, good hands. He’s played a good part in helping us in our run defense and the 3-4 defense.”

http://hou.scout.com/story/1474877-r...-to-the-texans

[pbmax]

A big mistake?



http://hou.scout.com/story/1474877-r...-to-the-texans

As a starter? No.

2013 D on 12th highest attempts, Packers were 25th in yards, and 29th in y/a
2012 D on 13th in atts, 27th yards, 26th y/a
2011 D on 5th in atts, 14th yards, 26th y/a

However, if viewed strictly as a backup when Raji went down, he probably doesn't hurt. But that's one less pass rusher you keep because Ryan isn't getting to the QB.

[Carolina_Packer]

As a starter? No.

2013 D on 12th highest attempts, Packers were 25th in yards, and 29th in y/a
2012 D on 13th in atts, 27th yards, 26th y/a
2011 D on 5th in atts, 14th yards, 26th y/a

However, if viewed strictly as a backup when Raji went down, he probably doesn't hurt. But that's one less pass rusher you keep because Ryan isn't getting to the QB.

Starter on front seven can be hard to say because they play in sub quite a bit, where you're not going to have a run stopping specialist in there anyway, so unless they have some pocket pushing skills, you'll be yanked. At least in the base defense, and with all the sustained injuries, Ryan could have been a difference maker for the Packers this year. Does that mean they liked Pennel and Guion that much that even when Raji went down they said "we're good"?

[pbmax]

They committed to running less 3 man line, doing less of what the Texans are using him for. They want more versatile people out there. So while he would have been a good replacement for Raji, he still doesn't fit their new version of the line where the players are supposed to be dual threats.

Brining him back is an admission of defeat in that plan and they aren't ready to throw in the towel.

But Pickett alone is no solution as evidenced by the numbers above. Whether this D was a worthy experiment is very much up in the air. Twice its looked colossally worse.

[Fritz]

Pickett might've made a good run-down sub, but that was a luxury they couldn't afford in this new, "versatile lineman" system.

I wonder - I suppose it's a vague, forlorn hope - if Datone Jones's being out hurt that run defense. Anyone know if the guy was even playing okay this year? Does he even resemble a first-round pick?

[Rutnstrut]

They committed to running less 3 man line, doing less of what the Texans are using him for. They want more versatile people out there. So while he would have been a good replacement for Raji, he still doesn't fit their new version of the line where the players are supposed to be dual threats.

Brining him back is an admission of defeat in that plan and they aren't ready to throw in the towel.

But Pickett alone is no solution as evidenced by the numbers above. Whether this D was a worthy experiment is very much up in the air. Twice its looked colossally worse.

That's the biggest part of it right there, is that the exalted great ones stubby, Capers, and TT would NEVER admit that they are less than perfect. Bringing the big man back would have done exactly that.

[Joemailman]

Pickett may have helped their run defense, but I'm not sure he's helping their defense overall. Since, he's been in the lineup, they're giving up about 290 yards passing per game. That's more than they were giving up before he was in the lineup. He may solidify their run defense, but I'll bet they're sacrificing some pass rush when he's in there. Houston has given up 30+ points in 3 of the 6 games he's played in. Not saying it's all his fault, but it's not like he's been a savior for the defense.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The saddest words of mouth or pen
are not "it was" but "it might have been"

[Joemailman]

Pickett might've made a good run-down sub, but that was a luxury they couldn't afford in this new, "versatile lineman" system.

I wonder - I suppose it's a vague, forlorn hope - if Datone Jones's being out hurt that run defense. Anyone know if the guy was even playing okay this year? Does he even resemble a first-round pick?

I thought he was picking it up after a mediocre start. Had a sack against the Bears and then got hurt the next week. Does he look like a 1st round pick? Taking into account that 70% of 1st round picks never make a Pro Bowl, I'll say he does. He ain't Reggie White, but I think he could be Vonnie Holliday.

[George Cumby]

Letting VH go always bothered me but I don't recall the rationale. Was it a cap thing?

[Joemailman]

Letting VH go always bothered me but I don't recall the rationale. Was it a cap thing?

My recollection:

In summer of 2002, Packers tried to sign VH to an extension, but he turned it down. Cleditus Hunt then had his best season for the Packers. At the end of the season, the Packers felt they couldn't afford to sign both, so they went with Hunt. Vonnie had missed 6 games with an injury, and Hunt probably had the better year.

[Guiness]

My recollection:

In summer of 2002, Packers tried to sign VH to an extension, but he turned it down. Cleditus Hunt then had his best season for the Packers. At the end of the season, the Packers felt they couldn't afford to sign both, so they went with Hunt. Vonnie had missed 6 games with an injury, and Hunt probably had the better year.

That sounds about right, except I didn't know about VH turning down the extension. What I do know is that he went on to play, generally quite well, for a decade after he left the Packers.

[pbmax]

That's the biggest part of it right there, is that the exalted great ones stubby, Capers, and TT would NEVER admit that they are less than perfect. Bringing the big man back would have done exactly that.

More important question is whether Pickett would have made the D better overall, that is, number of points allowed. Those figures for the team defense during Pickett's stay aren't much better than the run defense.

2011-2013 the points allowed ranks are 19th, 11th and 24th.

Its more than Pickett or Raji or the defense would have been better prior.

[George Cumby]

My recollection:

At the end of the season, the Packers felt they couldn't afford to sign both, so they went with Hunt.

[Patler]

I didn't start this to suggest that Pickett could have been a savior for the defense overall, just that he might have been an improvement for the defense against the run. I don't know much at all about the Texan's defense, how Pickett is used, etc., but I assume he is used similarly to the way he was used in GB. I seriously doubt that Pickett is on the field very often in passing situations, and in view of their significant improvement in defending running plays, opponents are probably in passing situations more frequently, and on earlier downs, so you might expect their performance, especially in net yards passing, to increase. I really don't know how good the Texans are as a pass defense, other than to read their stats.

The Packers SEEM to be somewhat capable of defending against the pass, so getting teams into passing situations can be a good thing. Right now, against the Packers, teams can stay balanced, and can run in just about any situation. Improving the defense against the run on early downs might play into a team strength, defending the pass and generating interception opportunities.