Favre fumbles more than other QBs

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Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

[Rastak]

Re: Favre fumbles more than other QBs

Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

Have you ever seen Culpepper play?

[FritzDontBlitz]

Re: Favre fumbles more than other QBs

Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

i don't have the game on tape, but if anyone does i suggest they watch the replay of the fumble closely. if you do you'll see that as brett favre starts to pull back to throw the flare to green in the left flat vonta leach passes too close in front of him - to block the blitzing dexter jackson maybe - and leach's shoulder knocks the ball out of favre's hand. the replay from behind the qb showed it most clearly....

[CaliforniaCheez]

Re: Favre fumbles more than other QBs

Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

Have you ever seen Culpepper play?

I don't have them anymore but at the begining of last year I had the numbers and Culpepper fumbles more than Brett Favre throws INT's.

It was one bad play but the whole team seemed to crumble apart after the play. It was only 7 of the Bengal points and the defense did not get a turnover to make up for it.

[chewy-bacca]

in the other angle though, it shows the ball clear with no touch. The angle I think your talking abut does look like its hit, but the next one they showed had it in the clear. I think that play was doomed no matter what, buddy was right in Favres face. it was gonna be a sack, or fumble in another way....that was just the worst case.

edit, thay HAVE to see and pick up blitzes better.

[Rastak]

in the other angle though, it shows the ball clear with no touch. The angle I think your talking abut does look like its hit, but the next one they showed had it in the clear. I think that play was doomed no matter what, buddy was right in Favres face. it was gonna be a sack, or fumble in another way....that was just the worst case.

edit, thay HAVE to see and pick up blitzes better.

I agree, he wasn't touched...it just slipped out of his hand as he pulled back.

[Packnut]

Rush

It's obvious that he tried to rush it because a defender came in un-touched. I've watched the play several times and it appears our TE released which allowed the defender to come in untouched. This is the thing that really pisses me off. When you have a lack of talent, you had better teach the mental aspect of the game cause it's all you have.

After all this time in camp, the TE does'nt understand the art of chipping before releasing?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

The ball does seem to slip out of his hand more than others, but I wouldn't say he's a fumbler. You compare his fumble rate to other QBs not named Manning (who seldom gets touched), and it's pretty normal. In fact, it's pretty good.

Matt Hasselbeck averages a fumble every 4.28 games
Peyton Manning averages a fumble every 3.20 games
Brett Favre averages a fumble every 2.21 games
Mark Brunell averages a fumble every 2.19 games
Jake Plummer averages a fumble every 2.04 games
Trent Green averages a fumble every 2.00 games
Tom Brady averages a fumble every 1.86 games
Steve McNair averages a fumble every 1.83 games
Donovan McNabb averages a fumble every 1.81 games
Drew Bledsoe averages a fumble every 1.72 games
Kurt Warner averages a fumble every 1.28 games
Michael Vick averages a fumble every 1.26 games
Jake Delhomme averages a fumble every 1.35 games
Daunte Culpepper averages a fumble every 1.03 games

[woodbuck27]

Re: Favre fumbles more than other QBs

Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

Did you get Harvey's numbers on your claim Partial? Just in case??

My compliments... to the researcher ... HarveyWallbangers.

Matt Hasselbeck averages a fumble every 4.28 games
Peyton Manning averages a fumble every 3.20 games

Brett Favre averages a fumble every 2.21 games

That would mean... that only two of today's NFL QB's have a lower fumble rate (better) than Brett Favre, Partial.

Now why would that be?

It's essentially ALL in the PROTECTION that the OL affords the QB.

Even giving to "the fact " that OUR 2005 season's OL was not as it was in three years previous to 2005. Brett Favre wasn't sacked nearly as much as most QB's, and consequently for reason's inherant in him, he doesn't fumble comparitively as often as many other QB's.

and the rest...

Mark Brunell averages a fumble every 2.19 games
Jake Plummer averages a fumble every 2.04 games
Trent Green averages a fumble every 2.00 games

Tom Brady averages a fumble every 1.86 games
Steve McNair averages a fumble every 1.83 games
Donovan McNabb averages a fumble every 1.81 games
Drew Bledsoe averages a fumble every 1.72 games

Kurt Warner averages a fumble every 1.28 games
Michael Vick averages a fumble every 1.26 games
Jake Delhomme averages a fumble every 1.35 games
Daunte Culpepper averages a fumble every 1.03 games

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Anyone notice the ball slips out of his hand more than any other QB? I think it has to do with all the thumb injuries, probably doesn't have a firm grip. Discuss!

The ball does seem to slip out of his hand more than others, but I wouldn't say he's a fumbler. You compare his fumble rate to other QBs not named Manning (who seldom gets touched), and it's pretty normal. In fact, it's pretty good.

Matt Hasselbeck averages a fumble every 4.28 games
Peyton Manning averages a fumble every 3.20 games
Brett Favre averages a fumble every 2.21 games
Mark Brunell averages a fumble every 2.19 games
Jake Plummer averages a fumble every 2.04 games
Trent Green averages a fumble every 2.00 games
Tom Brady averages a fumble every 1.86 games
Steve McNair averages a fumble every 1.83 games
Donovan McNabb averages a fumble every 1.81 games
Drew Bledsoe averages a fumble every 1.72 games
Kurt Warner averages a fumble every 1.28 games
Michael Vick averages a fumble every 1.26 games
Jake Delhomme averages a fumble every 1.35 games
Daunte Culpepper averages a fumble every 1.03 games

Harv, are those lost fumbles or just fumbles period?

[packrulz]

It was very humid there, the close ups showed beads of sweat all over Favres face, the ball might have gotten wet and he lost his grip.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harv, are those lost fumbles or just fumbles period?

Total Fumbles (lost or own recovery)

[woodbuck27]

It was very humid there, the close ups showed beads of sweat all over Favres face, the ball might have gotten wet and he lost his grip.

Some will argue that Carson Palmer played in the same conditions last night as Brett Favre, but Carson Palmer has seen it ( those conditions - maybe ) more than Favre, and has adjusted to (similiar or the same) environmental conditions present last night in Cincinnatti.

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It was very humid there, the close ups showed beads of sweat all over Favres face, the ball might have gotten wet and he lost his grip.

I am not doubting that, I am just saying he does what he did last night a lot. Much more than any qb i've ever seen.

Generally, the fumble occurs when the ball is batted or by a defender or on the snap from center. I find these to rarely be the case with brett.

[packrulz]

It was very humid there, the close ups showed beads of sweat all over Favres face, the ball might have gotten wet and he lost his grip.

I am not doubting that, I am just saying he does what he did last night a lot. Much more than any qb i've ever seen.

Generally, the fumble occurs when the ball is batted or by a defender or on the snap from center. I find these to rarely be the case with brett.

Oh yes, Brett doesn't protect the ball very well, and you're right, he's had a lot of baffling drops/fumbles/ints but on the replay it looked like he just lost his grip on that one & I thought maybe it was wet from sweat. Woody made a good point though that Palmer didn't have a problem with it.