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  • #61
    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Stupid question: Why doesn't the DB, when he's getting stiff armed, just grab the ball carrier's arm and hold on? I've done that in back yard games way back when.
    I feel the same way, but my playing experience doesn't include many stiff arms from players that big (bigger than me) or that talented. Actually, not many stiff arms on the interior of the line at all.

    My suspicion is that it would be easy to shake off a wrist tackle. I think you would need two arms, one to grab the stiff arm, the other to buckle it and then wrap around it like a squid on Nemo's ship.

    And if you watch most DBs they are looking to take out legs of those big receivers. Which means their head and arms are down, so a stiff arm is spectacularly effective.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      I feel the same way, but my playing experience doesn't include many stiff arms from players that big (bigger than me) or that talented. Actually, not many stiff arms on the interior of the line at all.

      My suspicion is that it would be easy to shake off a wrist tackle. I think you would need two arms, one to grab the stiff arm, the other to buckle it and then wrap around it like a squid on Nemo's ship.

      And if you watch most DBs they are looking to take out legs of those big receivers. Which means their head and arms are down, so a stiff arm is spectacularly effective.
      If I had to guess, I'd say 50% of the time DB's go high on the ball carrier. You're right when they go low, it's tough to get both hands on the arm or wrist with any force. But if you go high, it shouldn't be that difficult to latch on the guy's wrist. I've actually seen it done a few times over the years.

      I don't think it's coached. I think the coaches are too interested in swatting at the ball trying to force a fumble.
      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
        My favorite is T.J. Rubley, how about you? I like a backup QB that audibles out of a QB sneak and then throws a pick to lose the game.

        Seriously, who had to be a very capable backup with Favre at the helm? Good gig!

        As for Flynn, I don't need him to look like the QB who threw 6 TD's and set the franchise record for passing yards in a game, but he doesn't even look close to that QB now. I'm sure mop up duty is much different than actually having to go out and win games like Drew Stanton will now be asked to do in AZ. Let's just hope we never need to find out what Flynn is really capable of going forward.
        Last year Flynn rallied the Packers to a tie over Minnesota and then was 2-2 as a starter. The 2 losses were to Detroit where everybody looked bad, and a 38-31 loss to the Steelers. He wasn't great, but good enough for the team to be competitive. He does seem to better when he has a week to prepare, compared to when he comes off the bench unexpectedly in mop-up mode.
        I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
        While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
        But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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        • #64
          I was just reading the first Bears-Packer thread as I was unable to watch and participate.

          Here is my favorite quote from the first half.

          RutnStrut:
          I like the way Trestman coaches, he is anything but predictable. He is the opposite of Stubby and company.

          That was after Trestman tried an onside in the first half of the game after scoring. I will have to see what he said about MM and his onside attempt at NO.

          I wonder if he would say the same thing today about Trestman.
          But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

          -Tim Harmston

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          • #65
            Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
            I was just reading the first Bears-Packer thread as I was unable to watch and participate.

            Here is my favorite quote from the first half.

            RutnStrut:
            I like the way Trestman coaches, he is anything but predictable. He is the opposite of Stubby and company.

            That was after Trestman tried an onside in the first half of the game after scoring. I will have to see what he said about MM and his onside attempt at NO.

            I wonder if he would say the same thing today about Trestman.
            He's a pretty solid doom and gloom troll. Consistent in hating everything the Packers do. Disappears when they start winning.
            Originally posted by 3irty1
            This is museum quality stupidity.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Zool View Post
              He's a pretty solid doom and gloom troll. Consistent in hating everything the Packers do. Disappears when they start winning.
              Nope didn't disappear, just been hunting a lot, no wi-fi or cell reception in the places I've been. I still think Trestman is a good coach, just not good enough to overcome Cutler.

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              • #67
                His defense leaves much to be desired.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
                  Nope didn't disappear, just been hunting a lot, no wi-fi or cell reception in the places I've been. I still think Trestman is a good coach, just not good enough to overcome Cutler.
                  Not sure what NFL offense can score 50+ points a week to keep their team in games.
                  But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                  -Tim Harmston

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
                    I still think Trestman is a good coach, just not good enough to overcome Cutler.
                    So knowing the Packers are 32nd in the league coming into the game against the run, you dominated the LOS the last meeting while your team ran for 235 yards, you have a healthy back....you then decide to call 12 of your first 16 plays as passes? That seems like the opposite of smart to me. I run the ball until proven that I can't.
                    Originally posted by 3irty1
                    This is museum quality stupidity.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Zool View Post
                      So knowing the Packers are 32nd in the league coming into the game against the run, you dominated the LOS the last meeting while your team ran for 235 yards, you have a healthy back....you then decide to call 12 of your first 16 plays as passes? That seems like the opposite of smart to me. I run the ball until proven that I can't.
                      I expected the same.
                      --
                      Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                      • #71
                        Maybe another winner is Shanahan - which would make all of us winners too!

                        Why not Shanahan as next Bears coach?
                        http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/11/why-not-shanahan-as-next-bears-coach/
                        If the Bears decide to clean house but opt not to let quarterback Jay Cutler walk away with $38 million guaranteed after one year of service, they'll need a coach who wants to work with him.
                        --
                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                          Maybe another winner is Shanahan - which would make all of us winners too!

                          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-bears-coach/
                          It would be a great hire. He's done like toast.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Zool View Post
                            So knowing the Packers are 32nd in the league coming into the game against the run, you dominated the LOS the last meeting while your team ran for 235 yards, you have a healthy back....you then decide to call 12 of your first 16 plays as passes? That seems like the opposite of smart to me. I run the ball until proven that I can't.
                            I can't really bash him for some stupid game planning, stubby does it at least 4 games a season.

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                            • #74
                              Shanahan is more cooked than his face, which is basically overbaked leather at this point. The Bears hiring him would be amazing.

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