Official Packers vs. Patriots Discussion Thread

[Fritz]

McCarthy's Monday Afternoon Disinformation Campaign

1. Belichick is listening and watching.
2. When you can lay eyes directly on him, assume he is recording elsewhere.
3. All helicopters and planes should be treated as potential security leaks
4. Ask all visitors to Lambeau a security question only they and not Belichick would know (eg. What are Swift and Perry feuding about (ie. not Doug Swift and Michael Dean Perry)? What does it mean to throw shade (ie. not Shady McCoy)? Where is Maroon 5 (not last 5 yards of endzone)?
5. The cashier at Buger King is a plant.


Packer Report @PackerReport · 21m 21 minutes ago
McCarthy: Normal workweek with the Patriots. Assistants did some preliminary game-planning late last week, like always.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 21m 21 minutes ago
MM on Thanksgiving: Everything moved up for Thursday morning. Everyone home by 1 p.m.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 19m 19 minutes ago
MM on Lacy being ill: Aware before the game. "Fighting through a GI illness." Still monitoring.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 18m 18 minutes ago
MM on value of close win: Another experience to draw from. Need that going into playoffs.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 17m 17 minutes ago
MM: New England's a great football team. We're not going to make a bunch of changes. We like the football that we are.

Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 44m44 minutes ago
McCarthy: "We're not going to get too far away from the yellow pad or too far away from the video screen."

Packer Report @PackerReport · 16m 16 minutes ago
MM on GB's offense: Whether it comes through the run or the pass is irrelevant.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 15m 15 minutes ago
Gronkowski huge challenge. Big catch radius, faster than people think. "Definitely a difference-maker."

Packer Report @PackerReport · 13m 13 minutes ago
McCarthy thought Matthews came out of the OK with groin injury.

Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 37m37 minutes ago
McCarthy on if Capers' exp in NWE helps: Have talked, "but nothing I'm relying on to put together a game plan for Sunday."

Packer Report @PackerReport · 9m 9 minutes ago
MM on the 2010 game: Not worth watching too much of the film because of different personnel. (Flynn at QB for GB, obviously)

Packer Report @PackerReport · 8m 8 minutes ago
And that's all from McCarthy and the start of Patriots Week.

The bolded piece above - I can't remember if that is a McCarthy theme that is commonly sounded, or if it's something I remember hearing a lot in 2010 and not much since.

[Bossman641]

So what game plan are we thinking the Patriots are going to come with? Their game plans vary as much as any team in the league.

Are they going to go with the power run like they did against Indy? Or more of a spread it out and try to get it to Gronk on a LB?

[Fritz]

So what game plan are we thinking the Patriots are going to come with? Their game plans vary as much as any team in the league.

Are they going to go with the power run like they did against Indy? Or more of a spread it out and try to get it to Gronk on a LB?

I would imagine you'd run on one of the league's worst run defenses. Once they're softened up, you bomb them with Gronk and friends.

[pbmax]

They are going to run until the Packers stop it. They will want to avoid the sub defense so they can pass effectively as well.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Playing conservatively against a good/great team like the Patriots is simply asking for a loss.

The Packers need to be aggressive in all THREE dimensions!

Since when is NOT kicking onsides playing conservatively? Or punting from your own territory on 4th down? Or taking what they give you?

I'd like to see us be opportunistic rather than aggressive. You have the opportunity to throw downfield, take it. Don't force it. You have an opportunity fake a field goal or punt, do it. Don't do it just to do it.

No QB no matter how good likes to play with his back at his own end zone. Field position will help our defense more than anything.

[wist43]

They are going to run until the Packers stop it. They will want to avoid the sub defense so they can pass effectively as well.

Like dunderdummy has any intention whatsoever of covering anybody??

Whether we are in base, nickel, or dime... dunderdummy will let receivers run wide open all over the field - it's what he does.

Did you see that easy 16 yd pitch and catch from Bridgewater to Rudolph?? Dunderdummy was playing man on the WR's and zone underneath. Rudolph was given a free release and simply ran an out pattern to the space vacated by the WR who carried Shields with him downfield - the defender playing zone underneath stayed in his zone, and Rudolph caught the ball without a single Packer with 10 yds of him - that's the brilliance of dunderdummy.

That's Pop Warner stuff - yet dunderdummy does crap like that all the time.

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The Pats won't afford us the same courtesy - they'll cover everyone short tight and make Rodgers hold the ball.

Talentwise - I think we can win this game; coaching on the other hand... we're way outclassed.

[wist43]

So what game plan are we thinking the Patriots are going to come with? Their game plans vary as much as any team in the league.

Are they going to go with the power run like they did against Indy? Or more of a spread it out and try to get it to Gronk on a LB?

The answer to your question is yes.

They'll have their way with dunderdummy - complete mismatch in terms of coaching.

I wish I owned every Patriot in fanstasy this week.

[Bossman641]

Did you see that easy 16 yd pitch and catch from Bridgewater to Rudolph?? Dunderdummy was playing man on the WR's and zone underneath. Rudolph was given a free release and simply ran an out pattern to the space vacated by the WR who carried Shields with him downfield - the defender playing zone underneath stayed in his zone, and Rudolph caught the ball without a single Packer with 10 yds of him - that's the brilliance of dunderdummy.

Are you talking about the first play of the game where Rudolph ran an out to the left? That was man across the board. Hawk's coverage was awful though, which explains why Capers went to Jones.

[wist43]

Are you talking about the first play of the game where Rudolph ran an out to the left? That was man across the board. Hawk's coverage was awful though, which explains why Capers went to Jones.

No, it was late in the game... you could see the WR run the clear out, and nobody was assigned to cover outside the hash. Rudolph could have pitched a tent and put up neon signs, and no Packer was going to give him a second thought b/c dunderdummy didn't account for that patch of turf at all.

The mess at ILB is almost entirely on TT, although I'm sure dunderdummy and MM signed off and said we were okay there. Still, dunderdummy does so many things that are unsound, that it compounds the mess we have at ILB.

[mraynrand]

I would be totally fine if I never saw Hawk or Jones on the field again - except maybe at alumni day.

[pbmax]

No, it was late in the game... you could see the WR run the clear out, and nobody was assigned to cover outside the hash. Rudolph could have pitched a tent and put up neon signs, and no Packer was going to give him a second thought b/c dunderdummy didn't account for that patch of turf at all.

So not a broken coverage. Not a player error. He leaves zones in his zone defense unoccupied? This is your contention?

[mraynrand]

So not a broken coverage. Not a player error. He leaves zones in his zone defense unoccupied? This is your contention?

It's a Packer Horror Story! Starring Anthony Michael Hall as AJ Hawk (pretty apt casting, I'd say)

[Bossman641]

No, it was late in the game... you could see the WR run the clear out, and nobody was assigned to cover outside the hash. Rudolph could have pitched a tent and put up neon signs, and no Packer was going to give him a second thought b/c dunderdummy didn't account for that patch of turf at all.

The mess at ILB is almost entirely on TT, although I'm sure dunderdummy and MM signed off and said we were okay there. Still, dunderdummy does so many things that are unsound, that it compounds the mess we have at ILB.

I read a lot of McGinn's stuff and one thing he has bee harping on all year is that the Packers were going to take Shazier or Mosley if they were available. I know he writes some dumb articles but he is normally pretty well connected with the draft. I obviously can't prove it, but my sense from him is that the Packers favored those players over HHCD.

[wist43]

I read a lot of McGinn's stuff and one thing he has bee harping on all year is that the Packers were going to take Shazier or Mosley if they were available. I know he writes some dumb articles but he is normally pretty well connected with the draft. I obviously can't prove it, but my sense from him is that the Packers favored those players over HHCD.

Well that's where signing a stop-gap vet to fill a hole would serve the organization well... signing Peppers was a shot in the arm, but we are still impossibly feeble up the middle. We are literally dead at ILB - makes it tough to contend for a title when you have such a huge and glaring weakness right in the middle of your defense.

If one of those LB's were there at our pick, and we didn't fill the S spot - then go out and find a veteran S near the end of his career, but still has a little tread left on the tires, and let's make a run at a title; same thing would apply since we got the S - go out and get a competent ILB. Ted simply doesn't think that way.

If we had a half-ass competent DC, we might-could cover up for some of that mess in the middle, but he actually exacerbates it by scheming to ensure that those guys are on the field 24/7 - it's a huge problem that could be schemed around to some extent, but of course dunderdummy doesn't scheme around it, he schemes right into it, and the results are obviously very dismal.

[Bretsky]

If you are Hoody Genius don't you stick Revis on Jordy all day long. Cobb still doesn't naturally get open. Adams will be important this game. If Revis shadows Nelson this might be a game where we REALLY miss having a TE who is worth a shit.