Robert Griffin III Benched

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000444427/article/washington-redskins-plan-to-start-rgiii-vs-eagles

Washington Redskins plan to start RGIII vs. Eagles (in Week 16)

By Kevin Patra ... Around the NFL writer

Published: Dec. 15, 2014 at 03:18 p.m. ... Updated: Dec. 15, 2014 at 03:38 p.m.

[mraynrand]

I believe in RGIII!

[Guiness]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...giii-vs-eagles

Washington Redskins plan to start RGIII vs. Eagles (in Week 16)

By Kevin Patra ... Around the NFL writer

Published: Dec. 15, 2014 at 03:18 p.m. ... Updated: Dec. 15, 2014 at 03:38 p.m.

So is he un-benched of de-benched?

[woodbuck27]

So is he un-benched of de-benched?

He's lucked out.

What's left to see? How will he respond?

[pbmax]

McCoy is hurt.

[woodbuck27]

McCoy is hurt.

Colt McCoy (neck) is expected to be inactive for Week 16.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5699/colt-mccoy

[NewsBruin]

I'm a tad biased here. He desperately needs the McCarthy Fantasy QB Camp treatment.

I don't know what QB coaching he got in DC, but he did put in the time on his first preseason (all his commercials were filmed before training camp). The Shanahans gave him an easy-read offense for Year One, and his PA skills made everyone look awesome. Of course, Lobster Bill never wanted him and leaked to the DC press at every turn (Machiavellianism apparently a time-honored DC football tradition). Plus, being a wide-eyed 21-year-old told you're going to be the football/racial messiah of DC (and do it with a #hashtag at every turn)...

Since then, he's shown that he's not there right now mentally or emotionally to read the field pre-snap. I want for him to be an awesome QB, but the league's figured him out faster than he can adjust. He's the fill-in starter, but Gruden's not going to lose his job over someone who can't produce. He's already hamstrung with an ineffective front office climbing out of the Haynesworth crater and draft dearth. And I think his teammates are just tired of the whole saga.

Because RG3's a new-CBA first-rounder, his contract is low but fully guaranteed through 2015. If they trade him, they eat the $4 million remaining signing bonus on the cap, but save $3 million in cap and real money. If they cut him, they still have to cut him checks (even if another team picks him up-which is as it should be). That makes him a not-unattractive test drive for a team with cap space, but lowers his trade return (unless DC has two suitors to play against each other). Teams are pretty good at smelling desperation.

His agent is/was? Ben Dogra, who got fired with cause from CAA last year, so that may be a factor in any complicated moves.

DC's big question is, "Is he our QB for 2016?" If Gruden doesn't see it, then Bruce Allen should go ahead and get anything they can for him in the Spring (and just bite the "you're the ones who screwed up RG3" PR hit). If Gruden does see it, then they have a huge enough rebuilding project ahead.

[woodbuck27]

I'm a tad biased here. He desperately needs the McCarthy Fantasy QB Camp treatment.

I don't know what QB coaching he got in DC, but he did put in the time on his first preseason (all his commercials were filmed before training camp). The Shanahans gave him an easy-read offense for Year One, and his PA skills made everyone look awesome. Of course, Lobster Bill never wanted him and leaked to the DC press at every turn (Machiavellianism apparently a time-honored DC football tradition). Plus, being a wide-eyed 21-year-old told you're going to be the football/racial messiah of DC (and do it with a #hashtag at every turn)...

Since then, he's shown that he's not there right now mentally or emotionally to read the field pre-snap. I want for him to be an awesome QB, but the league's figured him out faster than he can adjust. He's the fill-in starter, but Gruden's not going to lose his job over someone who can't produce. He's already hamstrung with an ineffective front office climbing out of the Haynesworth crater and draft dearth. And I think his teammates are just tired of the whole saga.

Because RG3's a new-CBA first-rounder, his contract is low but fully guaranteed through 2015. If they trade him, they eat the $4 million remaining signing bonus on the cap, but save $3 million in cap and real money. If they cut him, they still have to cut him checks (even if another team picks him up-which is as it should be). That makes him a not-unattractive test drive for a team with cap space, but lowers his trade return (unless DC has two suitors to play against each other). Teams are pretty good at smelling desperation.

His agent is/was? Ben Dogra, who got fired with cause from CAA last year, so that may be a factor in any complicated moves.

DC's big question is, "Is he our QB for 2016?" If Gruden doesn't see it, then Bruce Allen should go ahead and get anything they can for him in the Spring (and just bite the "you're the ones who screwed up RG3" PR hit). If Gruden does see it, then they have a huge enough rebuilding project ahead.

Solid post...Repped.

[KYPack]

I'm a tad biased here. He desperately needs the McCarthy Fantasy QB Camp treatment.

I don't know what QB coaching he got in DC, but he did put in the time on his first preseason (all his commercials were filmed before training camp). The Shanahans gave him an easy-read offense for Year One, and his PA skills made everyone look awesome. Of course, Lobster Bill never wanted him and leaked to the DC press at every turn (Machiavellianism apparently a time-honored DC football tradition). Plus, being a wide-eyed 21-year-old told you're going to be the football/racial messiah of DC (and do it with a #hashtag at every turn)...

Since then, he's shown that he's not there right now mentally or emotionally to read the field pre-snap. I want for him to be an awesome QB, but the league's figured him out faster than he can adjust. He's the fill-in starter, but Gruden's not going to lose his job over someone who can't produce. He's already hamstrung with an ineffective front office climbing out of the Haynesworth crater and draft dearth. And I think his teammates are just tired of the whole saga.

Because RG3's a new-CBA first-rounder, his contract is low but fully guaranteed through 2015. If they trade him, they eat the $4 million remaining signing bonus on the cap, but save $3 million in cap and real money. If they cut him, they still have to cut him checks (even if another team picks him up-which is as it should be). That makes him a not-unattractive test drive for a team with cap space, but lowers his trade return (unless DC has two suitors to play against each other). Teams are pretty good at smelling desperation.

His agent is/was? Ben Dogra, who got fired with cause from CAA last year, so that may be a factor in any complicated moves.

DC's big question is, "Is he our QB for 2016?" If Gruden doesn't see it, then Bruce Allen should go ahead and get anything they can for him in the Spring (and just bite the "you're the ones who screwed up RG3" PR hit). If Gruden does see it, then they have a huge enough rebuilding project ahead.

4 million isn't that prohibitive in making the change at QB. The Bears are wedded to Cutler, fer instance. I didn't realize how bad THAT deal was. Chi would be on the hook for a cool 38 million for the remaining two years of that one.


RGIII has skills but he flat out has not put in the work to get up to speed in a pro offense.

You are 100% right.

They have sliced the playbook way down for him, which is a limited situation.

The front office needs to call him in and give him a reality check.

If Griffin was cut, it might be a better situation for him.

J GRU's system is an adult portion and RGIII is more of a Happy Meal kind of guy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's hard to think of a player that has been more misused than RG III.
He is not as fast as he was when he came into the league, which is pathetic.

He needs to be a backup somewhere and learn how to play the game. GB would be perfect.

[mraynrand]

He needs to be a backup somewhere and learn how to play the game. GB would be perfect.

I remember when they said that about Tim Couch

[mraynrand]

It's hard to think of a player that has been more misused than RG III.

It's probably society's fault

[NewsBruin]

4 million isn't that prohibitive in making the change at QB. The Bears are wedded to Cutler, fer instance. I didn't realize how bad THAT deal was. Chi would be on the hook for a cool 38 million for the remaining two years of that one.


RGIII has skills but he flat out has not put in the work to get up to speed in a pro offense.

You are 100% right.

They have sliced the playbook way down for him, which is a limited situation.

The front office needs to call him in and give him a reality check.

If Griffin was cut, it might be a better situation for him.

J GRU's system is an adult portion and RGIII is more of a Happy Meal kind of guy.

I appreciate the praise, but I don't entirely agree.

I wanted to preface that I don't know what's entirely true from the Shanahan/Griffin days. I read a lot of WaPo articles, and every on-the-record quote was matched with two unnamed sources. Everyone leaked info to someone, and the kindest thing I can say is that Dad Shanahan was never on-board with the trade and he fought until the bitter end to get fired and pick up his full contract value.

Griffin worked his tail off to learn the Year One offense, which was similar to the Briles Baylor offense (limited field reads, defensive player keys, pre-snap decisions run/pass/keeper packaged options) with Shanahan's zone-blocking. I believe he set the rookie completion percentage record.

The Year Two offense was supposed to be more pro-style (whole-field reads, fewer keepers, more post-snap decisions). I'd like to think that his knee rehab and the irrevocably broken trust kept him from picking it up. I read that by the end, Rex Grossman was the go-between for everyone.

Then in Year Three, you've got more pro-style and a new coach who doesn't want an injury-prone pro project to kill his career before it starts.

Like I said, I'm a bit biased on this, because I don't want my alma mater to have the rep of "system offense" players (Baylor WRs? Pretty good. Baylor OL? Not doing well at all). On top of that, I just don't want RG3 to get slagged as an "egotistical, athletic" QB who couldn't lead a complicated pro offense (dog whistle).

He probably does need to study more, drill on the above-the-neck issues, and get put on media lockdown for a while. I don't think it's inherently bad, but worrying about the Big Picture is not going to keep him employed in 2018, if that's what he wants to do by then.

RG3 is a cheap rental for a team like the Titans or Bucs that doesn't have a solid starter and might see a multi-year role in his future (as are the Raiders and Jets, but at that point, just shoot me in the head). As you said, he's a heck of a lot cheaper than Cutler or Alex Smith. I think his trade value is small, as he's on his last contract year and his coach has told NFL.com, of all places, a laundry list of mechanical and mental faults.

On the plus side, he owns his house, he banked all his endorsement money and lived off his rookie salary. His wife is young and cute (and they both love their in-laws), and Baylor Law School will take him, so things could be a lot worse. I'm sure he'd trade his knees with mine any morning.

[mraynrand]

On top of that, I just don't want RG3 to get slagged as an "egotistical, athletic" QB who couldn't lead a complicated pro offense (dog whistle).

Like Johnny Manzier?

[woodbuck27]

I appreciate the praise, but I don't entirely agree.

I wanted to preface that I don't know what's entirely true from the Shanahan/Griffin days. I read a lot of WaPo articles, and every on-the-record quote was matched with two unnamed sources. Everyone leaked info to someone, and the kindest thing I can say is that Dad Shanahan was never on-board with the trade and he fought until the bitter end to get fired and pick up his full contract value.

Griffin worked his tail off to learn the Year One offense, which was similar to the Briles Baylor offense (limited field reads, defensive player keys, pre-snap decisions run/pass/keeper packaged options) with Shanahan's zone-blocking. I believe he set the rookie completion percentage record.

The Year Two offense was supposed to be more pro-style (whole-field reads, fewer keepers, more post-snap decisions). I'd like to think that his knee rehab and the irrevocably broken trust kept him from picking it up. I read that by the end, Rex Grossman was the go-between for everyone.

Then in Year Three, you've got more pro-style and a new coach who doesn't want an injury-prone pro project to kill his career before it starts.

Like I said, I'm a bit biased on this, because I don't want my alma mater to have the rep of "system offense" players (Baylor WRs? Pretty good. Baylor OL? Not doing well at all). On top of that, I just don't want RG3 to get slagged as an "egotistical, athletic" QB who couldn't lead a complicated pro offense (dog whistle).

He probably does need to study more, drill on the above-the-neck issues, and get put on media lockdown for a while. I don't think it's inherently bad, but worrying about the Big Picture is not going to keep him employed in 2018, if that's what he wants to do by then.

RG3 is a cheap rental for a team like the Titans or Bucs that doesn't have a solid starter and might see a multi-year role in his future (as are the Raiders and Jets, but at that point, just shoot me in the head). As you said, he's a heck of a lot cheaper than Cutler or Alex Smith. I think his trade value is small, as he's on his last contract year and his coach has told NFL.com, of all places, a laundry list of mechanical and mental faults.

On the plus side, he owns his house, he banked all his endorsement money and lived off his rookie salary. His wife is young and cute (and they both love their in-laws), and Baylor Law School will take him, so things could be a lot worse. I'm sure he'd trade his knees with mine any morning.

" and get put on media lockdown for a while " NewsBruin

He's covering that one right at this time.

Of course.... RD III must be fined $50 K$ by the NFL. Really !?