MVP debate: Who's most deserving? A.Rodgers - JJ Watt - T.Brady - P.Manning - D.Murray?

[Pugger]

I'll disagree with this. You put 2 JJ Watts on the same DL with the stats he has (not including his offensive work) and you have an elite defense and that alone would get you 12 wins with an average QB and offense with the pressure and run stopping ability he has. You put 3 on the DL, forget about opponents having any offense.

But you still need a QB. Just ask AZ. They had a great D that got worn down because their offense was so anemic.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24925519/nfl-mvp-final-projection-aaron-rodgers-will-edge-jj-watt-for-mvp

NFL MVP Final Projection: Aaron Rodgers will edge J.J. Watt for MVP

By: John Breech | CBSSports.com

December 31, 2014 3:30 am ET

[Pugger]

Check out this article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...all-of-fame-is

The guy not only argues that Paul Hornung didn't deserve being named MVP in 1961, but that Hornung is the least deserving player in the NFL Hall of Fame.

Classic case of letting stats get in the way of "drama."

If any RB should have won that MVP that year it should have been Jimmy Taylor.

[Pugger]

Watt was far more "valuable" this year when he played against the worst/most inexperienced QB's and OL's in the league. 10 of his 20.5 sacks and 3 of his 4 forced fumbles against Ten and Jax.

He's the most disruptive defensive player in the league - but he's not the MVP.

Romo's closer to Rodgers this year but he's not really close either. Romo's been slightly more efficient than Rodgers but only once did he eclipse 300 yards passing this year - against Watt's Texans interestingly enough. Rodgers went over 300 7 times. His stats would have been even better had he not blown teams right off the field before halftime so often.

Romo - 34 TD's against 9 INT's
Rodgers - 38 TDs and 5 INTs

Add the signature wins on top of the blowouts and historical stretch in Nov. and there's no one in the ballpark.

Can you imagine what Aaron's numbers would have been had he played every snap of every game this year?

[mraynrand]

Aikman just said something about Romo that perfectly encapsulates the Romo-Rodgers comparison. He said Romo's going to do "what he's done all year," rely on his running game for success. Conversely, the Packers running game relies on Rodgers to shift defenses to their advantage for success.

true. Still, I think people don't realize how poor the Cowboy receiving corpse (intentional) really is. Dallas relies on the running game because, with the exception of Bryant (sometimes, when he isn't melting down), their receivers struggle to get open unless there is the threat of the run. And Romo can't throw receivers open the way Rodgers can.

[vince]

Here's a long but good read on your 2014 MVP.

The Toast of Titletown

A bunch of telling quotes in the article but I always like to hear Sitton's perspective on stuff for some reason.

"You wanna know how competitive he is?" Sitton asked. "One day early this season, we have this play (in practice) where he basically has to launch the ball as far as he can out of bounds ... running time off the clock when there are six or seven seconds left and it's fourth down so there's no time left for another play. I told him, 'You don't have the arm for that anymore. You're too old.' He looked at me like, 'FU,' and launched that ball so f----- far, it was ridiculous. That's how he is."

[woodbuck27]

Here's a long but good read on your 2014 MVP.

The Toast of Titletown

A bunch of telling quotes in the article but I always like to hear Sitton's perspective on stuff for some reason.

Holy Cow.

I have to make a plate of sandwiches before reading that.

[woodbuck27]

Here's a long but good read on your 2014 MVP.

The Toast of Titletown

A bunch of telling quotes in the article but I always like to hear Sitton's perspective on stuff for some reason.

A solid story by a good writer and hopefully a man that will support Aaron Rodgers for MVP.

What really struck me wasn't just this incredible season after a 1-2 start; but the fact Aaron Rodgers return last season got the Packers into the playoffs.

That's spelled MVP.

[KYPack]

Here's a long but good read on your 2014 MVP.

The Toast of Titletown

A bunch of telling quotes in the article but I always like to hear Sitton's perspective on stuff for some reason.

Nice article, Vince.

I didn't know Silver could put something like that together.

[denverYooper]

Nice article, Vince.

I didn't know Silver could put something like that together.

As reporters go, he's pretty close to Rodgers... they're both Golden Bear Alum.

[ThunderDan]

true. Still, I think people don't realize how poor the Cowboy receiving corpse (intentional) really is. Dallas relies on the running game because, with the exception of Bryant (sometimes, when he isn't melting down), their receivers struggle to get open unless there is the threat of the run. And Romo can't throw receivers open the way Rodgers can.

But look at Rogers and the Pack. Just a few years ago without a serious running threat we had Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, Jones and Finley. Now with Lacy we can get away with Jordy and Cobb. ARod can do things that Romo can't but a running game can open up the pass.

[denverYooper]

Another article on Rodgers as the new Joe Cool (and the Packers new-age wco) from Chris Brown (smartfootball):

http://grantland.com/features/aaron-rodgers-mike-mccarthy-green-bay-packers-new-age-west-coast-offense/

[pbmax]

Another article on Rodgers as the new Joe Cool (and the Packers new-age wco) from Chris Brown (smartfootball):

http://grantland.com/features/aaron-...coast-offense/

Can't recommend that one enough. Its not as long as many of smartfootball's more detailed X and O articles, so its an enjoyably short read. But it has a great sample of the new and old in the Packers offense. Plus, play explaining GIFs, the best thing to happen to football on the Internet in the last 5 years.

[denverYooper]

Can't recommend that one enough. Its not as long as many of smartfootball's more detailed X and O articles, so its an enjoyably short read. But it has a great sample of the new and old in the Packers offense. Plus, play explaining GIFs, the best thing to happen to football on the Internet in the last 5 years.

I thought the comparison to Montana was interesting. Early on, Rodgers was usually compared to Steve Young because of his running ability.

[pbmax]

I thought the comparison to Montana was interesting. Early on, Rodgers was usually compared to Steve Young because of his running ability.

Yeah, people often forget how much a pocket QB Young became over time. Plus his accuracy was a step above Montana's high mark, albeit in slightly different eras.

Rodgers reminds me of Montana in part because he does not seem as physically robust as Young or Favre. Montana/Rodgers seem leaner. Which makes their survival all the more remarkable.