Andomican Suh Two Step

[Patler]

I read a post game comment by Caldwell in which he excused Riola and Suh incidents as unintentional. Maybe he's not a good guy.

Or, he is the kind of guy who tries to diffuse an issue with the press. We don't know what he is saying or doing directly with the players involved.

[pbmax]

Or, he is the kind of guy who tries to diffuse an issue with the press. We don't know what he is saying or doing directly with the players involved.

Agree with this. While running side by side with the video makes Caldwell look very out of touch or even complicit, I wouldn't want my coach to condemn something he had not seen without taking a day to take stock. No need to concede anything immediately.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Or, he is the kind of guy who tries to diffuse an issue with the press. We don't know what he is saying or doing directly with the players involved.

The two are not mutually exclusive. If he was diffusing, he might still be a bad guy. He's lost any respect I might have had for him.

From ESPN.com:

Suh did not speak to reporters after the game, but Lions coach Jim Caldwell said he did not think it was intentional. There was no penalty on the play.


"I get briefed on it," Caldwell said. "Guys look at it and tell me what they saw, what they thought."


Last week, Lions center Dominic Raiola was suspended one game for stomping on the ankle of Chicago Bears defensive tackle Ego Ferguson last Sunday. In 2011, Suh was suspended two games after he stomped on Packers center Evan Dietrich-Smith.


Caldwell said after last week's game that he believed Raiola's stomp was unintentional.

Raiola's stomp was obviously intentional, at least it seemed so to the players, the league and me. Judge for yourself. Linked article has video.

From NFL.com:

Ferguson didn't seem to put too much into Raiola's apology.


"None of that matters," Ferguson said. "We all saw the play. You can't take back what happened with that play. That's the end of that."
Brandon Marshall also chimed in.


"He should be banned from the NFL," the star receiver said, via the Chicago Tribune. " ... This guy is a dirty player, and he's a worse human being."


And lest we forget this is the same Dominic Raiola who cruelly taunted members of the Wisconsin Marching Band before a game at Lambeau Field last year. Other than that, he seems cool.

I suppose Caldwell could be chastising his players in private while lying for them in public. But I guess I don't understand how that adds up to being a good guy.

[red]

Let's not forget that the two step j st so happened to be on th same leg and in the same area that was clearly already I injured.

Coincidence?

Doubt it

[Freak Out]

It's laughable to say it wasn't intentional. Donkey Stain knew where Rodgers was, and new when he was standing on him. Caldwell can defend him anyway he wants but when his best players get kicked out of games it hurts the team...not just the player.

[Patler]

The two are not mutually exclusive. If he was diffusing, he might still be a bad guy. He's lost any respect I might have had for him.

From ESPN.com:

Raiola's stomp was obviously intentional, at least it seemed so to the players, the league and me. Judge for yourself. Linked article has video.

From NFL.com:


I suppose Caldwell could be chastising his players in private while lying for them in public. But I guess I don't understand how that adds up to being a good guy.

My point was that I can understand a perceived need to downplay the situation in front of the press for the good of the team, while at the same time taking a very different stance with the player himself. We see only half of it, so I will not judge Caldwell's tolerance or intolerance of it based on just half of the picture.

I don't know if Caldwell is a good guy or not, and I don't know if we can determine it from two casual comments to the press. I understood your original comment to suggest that these two comments indicate he is not a good guy. I think they indicate little of anything about his "goodguyness". You admit the two are not mutually exclusive, yet you seem to make a conclusion from it, so I am a bit confused how to respond. We might agree, or disagree, but I'm not sure which!

[BZnDallas]

SUH Suspended... damn, hoped he'd play vs Dallas, but happy this trash got punished...

[Bossman641]

Well I'd rather Detroit wins but I don't see it happening now. Time to get ready for Dallas

[BZnDallas]

Agreed. Two weeks to prepare for Dallas should be nice. Besides, we only need a week to prep for Car/Az anyway, in that event, hahaha.

[King Friday]

I can agree that we can't come to a complete conclusion on Caldwell from this. However, I don't think it speaks well for him when it comes time to make a complete conclusion.

There is no need for a coach to excuse dirty play by one of his players in front of the media. This wasn't a bang-bang play where there was helmet to helmet contact or something like that. The fact that this came ONE WEEK AFTER HE HAD A FUCKING PLAYER GET SUSPENDED FOR THE SAME DAMN THING is what is most damning. I can understand that Caldwell isn't interested in having his best defensive player suspended for a playoff game. However, he can make a statement saying "it is up to the league" or something like that instead of basically trying to claim Suh's act was not intentional.

We all know it was intentional. The league WILL suspend him, because of the history he has and the incident the week before on the same team. Caldwell's comments weren't going to sway the league one way or the other...so why go out of your way to look like a moron and claim it was unintentional? If anything, looking like you are oblivious to dirty play is only going to make the league MORE QUICK to step in and do the police work...because someone has to.

[woodbuck27]

I just learned this on the NFL Network:

Ndamukong Suh does receive a one game suspension for what was considered an intentional act to injure Aaron Rodgers.

The NFL says that Suh's act put Aaron Rodgers at unnecessary risk to injury.

and I'll add this as concerns the question on this act by SUH.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-ndamukong-suh-step-on-aaron-rodgers-twice-on-purpose-002410086.html

Comment woodbuck27:

I'll add this one game hardly covers it in terms of the manner in which Ndamukong Suh acted after one and then two contacts with Aaron Rodgers ankle. That is what's disgusting ! Ndamukong Suh reacted like some kind of psych in this incident and for an NFL that's all about safety and players this decision is a baby slap.

If I was deciding on this he'd be suspended for the rest of this year and half way into the schedule in the 2015 Season.

So ...... Ndamukong Suh is out Vs the Dallas Cowboys.

In other news SEE the MVP thread.......

[King Friday]

Agree with this. While running side by side with the video makes Caldwell look very out of touch or even complicit, I wouldn't want my coach to condemn something he had not seen without taking a day to take stock. No need to concede anything immediately.

I agree...but there is also no need for the coach to openly claim he believes it wasn't intentional either. Caldwell did...and only 1 week after the suspension of another gy on his roster for the same thing. It does not look good at all.

Say "I did not see it happen. I'm sure the league will review it." There. Done. Easy.

[mraynrand]

If anything, looking like you are oblivious to dirty play is only going to make the league MORE QUICK to step in and do the police work...because someone has to.

makes sense. Talking in the subjunctive and saying things like "I was briefed on the details of the incident" sounds like an out-of-touch bureaucrat a continent away, not a coach watching from the sidelines.

[woodbuck27]

Bump.

[mraynrand]

Bump.

Bump