How do you beat the Seahawks?

[pbmax]

I recall a lot of quick hitting slants and stuff. we didn't give them time to rush the QB. get it out quick to your WR and let them make plays.

I could be wrong, but I think that was a young Packers line, not yet the dominant unit they became. It was the year after the Ravens Super Bowl, so a 2001 regular season game. By the end of the year, that result make more sense, but at the time everyone on the line was very young. Flanagan had returned from about four different leg surgeries and Rivera had gotten settled into his new spot at RG and quickly became the best lineman on the team until Cliffy got up to speed.

[3irty1]

I'm more scared of the away version of the Packers than I am of the Seahawks.

They are physical but not in the trenches like the teams that have been our kryptonite in the past. Carolina didn't lose in the trenches. Its a very physical secondary, Wagner is a tone setter linebacker, but that DL is getting by mostly on reputation these days. Even before they lost Mebane at NT they weren't exactly a brick wall. Trying to beat their defense to the edge is a waste of time but the Packers should be able to get something going up the middle this time, enough to set up play action.

On offense the Dallas team we just beat is a lot more physical. The Seattle offense is more about finding green grass through misdirection than imposing their will with power football. Wilson is a fucking wizard and Marshawn Lynch can't be tackled sometimes but they are a shell of what they were even week 1. They lost their stud TE Zach Miller, they lost Percy Harvin, and Saturday they even lost their top draft pick WR. Whats left is probably the worst group of receivers in the NFL.

[pbmax]

They need to get pass pro in gear from the start, hopefully Linsley has learned a thing or two.

But they should be able to run on the Seachickens.

[woodbuck27]

I'm more scared of the away version of the Packers than I am of the Seahawks.

They are physical but not in the trenches like the teams that have been our kryptonite in the past. Carolina didn't lose in the trenches. Its a very physical secondary, Wagner is a tone setter linebacker, but that DL is getting by mostly on reputation these days. Even before they lost Mebane at NT they weren't exactly a brick wall. Trying to beat their defense to the edge is a waste of time but the Packers should be able to get something going up the middle this time, enough to set up play action.

On offense the Dallas team we just beat is a lot more physical. The Seattle offense is more about finding green grass through misdirection than imposing their will with power football. Wilson is a fucking wizard and Marshawn Lynch can't be tackled sometimes but they are a shell of what they were even week 1. They lost their stud TE Zach Miller, they lost Percy Harvin, and Saturday they even lost their top draft pick WR. Whats left is probably the worst group of receivers in the NFL.

I agree that at WR the Seahawks are relatively small ( Doug Baldwin 5' - 10 " - 189 lbs and Jermaine Kerse 6' - 1" and 209 lbs and #3 WR Kevin Norwood is 6' - 2 " and 199 lbs. ) and should be handled. Russell Wilson likes to target Doug Baldwin and this WR is a tough competitor.

Their current TE Canuck Luke Willson (6' -5" -252 lbs and athletic) has looked very good of late. He can extend plays after the catch and score. He must be accounted for.

The Packers run 'D' (the entire Defense) has a load to deal with in RB Marshawn Lynch. He's a monster at his best. To that add the excellent scrambling ability of Russell Wilson and Ohh Dear !

The Packer 'D' has to come to play and lately that defense is growing. The secondary has to improve over it's rather pedestrian performance Vs Dallas. The team as a whole has to tackle better......again.

Seattle will likely score about 27 points and we simply need more.

[Freak Out]

1. Score more points than SEA.
2. No turnovers.
3. Protect Rodgers.
3. Great play calling and audibles...keep the SEA D off balance and on the field.
4.. No huge plays that score TDs. If you can hold them to FGs through the "bend, don't break" philosophy.
5. Sacrifice a goat or two one hour prior to kickoff.

[mraynrand]

If we had any semblance of a defense whatsoever, I'd say we have a chance, b/c talentwise, offense vs. offense, I think we have the edge; but our defense is such a mess, and the coaching is so bad, that there is no way we can close the gap.

If only we had a defense like Detroit's #2 defense, that could hold the Cowboys to 24 points, then I might have some confidence in the Packer D.

[mraynrand]

On offense, Pass protect and trust your receiving depth. If Seattle is going to put their best guys on Nelson and Cobb, then use Quarless, Rodgers, Kuhn, Lacy, Adams, Stark plug, Harris, even Boykin if need be to spread the ball around and keep the chickens guessing where the next pass is gonna go. Don't hesitate going to the check down right away, because seattle will bring pressure and when they do, it will probably get there before Cobb leaks open. Pass protect like crazy and mix in the run, with at least a few against tendency. When you run, no outside stretch runs. Pound it right up the gut, off tackle, or pulls. And whatever you do, be on the lookout for the center over whip pressure.

[Bossman641]

If only we had a defense like Detroit's #2 defense, that could hold the Cowboys to 24 points, then I might have some confidence in the Packer D.

Our talent and coaching is so subpar that we are one of the 4 teams remaining

[pbmax]

If only we had a defense like Detroit's #2 defense, that could hold the Cowboys to 24 points, then I might have some confidence in the Packer D.

Just think where they could be if the D were any good. Deep into the playoffs perhaps.

[MadScientist]

Some thoughts about the Sea-Car game, just from reading the stats (didn't watch the game).
1) Carolina had 3 turnovers. Killer against Seattle.
2) Seattle had only one real sustained drive, and then ended in a FG. Their touchdowns came from a short field, a long pass, a drive that was basically 2 long passes, and a pick-6.
3) Carolina's punter had a poor showing. Seattle had much better starting field positions.

I think Green Bay's defense has a good chance of slowing down Seattle, and I don't see them turning the ball over like Carolina did. The Packer's punting should be better as well.

That leaves one big question, 'Can the Packers move the ball and score on Seattle?' Not an easy task, but not impossible if Rodgers can hold up. Seattle has looked great down the stretch against a bunch of backup QB's, a SF team that mostly quit, and a Carolina team that isn't all that great. The Packers are better than any of them.

So how to beat Seattle:
1) Protect the rock.
2) Protect the MVP.
3) Don't give up big plays.
4) Pull out the stops. MM and company did some creative things against NE that they weren't expecting, and it worked. Confuse Seattle with things they haven't seen and get them on their heels.
5) Get an early lead - try to quiet the crowd a bit.

[denverYooper]

Swap their bennies with reds.

[wist43]

We simply don't match up with them...

I think you can run on them, but you need a power running game to do it - they eat zone blocking alive. To run on them, you need to pull, trap, create angles and creases - we simply do not do that at all. We have 3 running plays that players like Wagner, Chancellor, and Avril can simply undercut or run around.

And in the passing game - what are the odds that MM actually tailors his gameplan to deal with the Seahawks, as opposed to simply coming in with his down the field attack - and giving up 8 sacks in the 1st half??

Our defense vs their offense is an even worse matchup - not that their offense is gangbusters or anything, but they are loaded with gimmicks, and dunderdummy is completely out of his depth when he has to matchup with an opposing coach.

We will surely get gashed by a couple of Jet Sweeps and options - throw that on top of the fact that they are going to run the ball against us, and Wilson taking short drops and being efficient with the ball... dunderdummy is completely overmatched.

We have an outside chance, but absolutely everything has to go our way... and dunderdummy actually has to do his job - that's a lot to ask.

[Joemailman]

We have to be effective running the ball
Protect AROD
No turnovers
Keep Russell Wilson in the pocket
Contain their run game
Win the turnover battle


and yes..we may need to do all 5 of those to win

Isn't that 6 things?

[pbmax]

I think you can run on them, but you need a power running game to do it - they eat zone blocking alive. To run on them, you need to pull, trap, create angles and creases - we simply do not do that at all. We have 3 running plays that players like Wagner, Chancellor, and Avril can simply undercut or run around.]

Unlike last year when they spent more than 50% of snaps using ZBS with Lacy (switching to more power stuff later in the year) they have probably dipped below 50% of ZBS this year. Lacy runs a lot of interior stuff with pulling Guards and double teams on the nose, Power O type stuff. You will still see some inside zone and a good dose of outside zone, but you may be surprised at what they roll out there.

You can see the effect on the RBs because Starks gets less effective with less zone.

[pbmax]

Guy on the radio was blathering on about how CK and Wilson have killed the Packers over the last three years. He seemed to remember the opener this year, but forget the Fail Mary.