Official Super Bowl XLIX Thread

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LMAO. This is what happens when you leave it up to computers.

They'd have forced us to watch a boring NCAA championship game of Florida State and Alabama if we had let them!

The computers are consistent. But humans want to change the rules all the time. Actually, I doubt the computers have FSU #1 or #2, but the poll voters keep getting more weight in the BCS so they may have ended up on top.

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[woodbuck27]

I really cannot get any grasp on why members here are taking apart Russell Wilson for this loss.

Did he make the play call? Was Russell Wilson simply doing what he was asked to do on that down?

With 26 seconds on the clock and 2nd and goal from the NE one yard line. Russell Wilson gets called to pass on a slant route to WR Ricardo Lockette. He gets picked by Malcolm Butler and the Pats took over simply needing to run out the clock for a New England win.

Football is a game of inchs. Was it a case of Ricardo Lockette not getting to the ball? Or Clearly... that short pass being just a little out in front? If Russell Wilson had passed into the hands of the receiver maybe it may have been dropped?

Maybe Malcolm Butler had some good hands on an aggressive play and thus the pick?

Did you look carefully on what Russell Wilson did do to even get that ball in that position to possibly win that game late?

No. All you do is judge him on one play and dismiss all he did that was extremely positive in that excellent game.

[channtheman]

I like Russell Wilson. It's a shame he had to get drafted by the dirtiest team full of thugs. Seriously, you're going to start a fight after the game is "over?" Get some class you low life punks.

[esoxx]

Won $345 tonight. Moving on from stage two, anger.

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New England didn't call a timeout after the first down carry because they were not going to even contest a rushing attempt. If Lynch had been given the ball on second down, the line would have allowed Lynch to score. The timeout is worth more than the time to New England at that point.

Think about it, why was New England in a 4-3 look 2nd and goal from the 1-yard line? They were playing pass all the way because they didn't want anything other than a TD/turnover/incompletion. Had the Seahawks scored a TD, the Pats would have had the ball with 24ish seconds left and all three timeouts, needing only a FG to tie.

[channtheman]

The tears of the Seahawks fans crying about how the decision to throw was "the worst call in history" are delicious. Never mind they don't realize they shouldn't have even been in the Super Bowl to begin with.

[SkinBasket]

And they had two opportunities to give the ball to Lynch...which means your success rate "statistically" just jumped to 87%. Technically, they could've probably gotten a 3rd chance off if necessary if they had run the first play a little quicker. Now you are over 100%.

That's not how math works.

[mraynrand]

That's not how math works.

spoken by the guy who never gave 110%

[woodbuck27]

New England didn't call a timeout after the first down carry because they were not going to even contest a rushing attempt. If Lynch had been given the ball on second down, the line would have allowed Lynch to score. The timeout is worth more than the time to New England at that point.

Think about it, why was New England in a 4-3 look 2nd and goal from the 1-yard line? They were playing pass all the way because they didn't want anything other than a TD/turnover/incompletion. Had the Seahawks scored a TD, the Pats would have had the ball with 24ish seconds left and all three timeouts, needing only a FG to tie.

That's good analysis.

Seattle's on the 1 yard line and the world was looking for a handoff to Marshawn Lynch.

I wonder if we'll ever know what Bill Belichick's thoughts were on that down/play?

[Carolina_Packer]

No. All you do is judge him on one play and dismiss all he did that was extremely positive in that excellent game.

2nd guessing is an easy thing to do, but it was the decisive play of the game and in this case, the decisive losing play. Of course the Packers would have some idea of how this feels having squandered a 4th quarter lead of their own.

What gets you beat? Getting cute. Going away from tendencies and not doing what got you there or playing to your strength. If you are wasting a play (Pete Carroll's term) on that second down play, then why not show slant and Russell tucks it and takes the right side of the field and gets the corner. I don't think Wilson gets beat to the corner, but if he can't get to the corner, he can run out of bounds or throw the ball away. That's how you waste a play, Pete. To run a slant to an inexperienced receiver and throwing the ball high and late...that will get you beat.

The Seahawks are more sick today than the Packers were a couple of week's ago. You had the Super Bowl won if you hand the ball to Lynch.

[woodbuck27]

2nd guessing is an easy thing to do, but it was the decisive play of the game and in this case, the decisive losing play. Of course the Packers would have some idea of how this feels having squandered a 4th quarter lead of their own.

What gets you beat? Getting cute. Going away from tendencies and not doing what got you there or playing to your strength. If you are wasting a play (Pete Carroll's term) on that second down play, then why not show slant and Russell tucks it and takes the right side of the field and gets the corner. I don't think Wilson gets beat to the corner, but if he can't get to the corner, he can run out of bounds or throw the ball away. That's how you waste a play, Pete. To run a slant to an inexperienced receiver and throwing the ball high and late...that will get you beat.

The Seahawks are more sick today than the Packers were a couple of week's ago. You had the Super Bowl won if you hand the ball to Lynch.

The powers to be chose to not run the ball. I do feel the star of that play call should have been Marshawn Lynch. That Seattle should have taken advantage of that man's demands to adversity the way the NFL had treated him all week.

That aside...I've looked at that play 20 times.

Russell Wilson threw that ball very well and with some mustard on that throw. I cannot find any fault on that play against Russell Wilson. In that game Russell Wilson was amazing in his execution.

How many here had knowledge of New England CB Malcolm Butler before this game? Before his game winning pick?

What university did he graduate from? When was he drafted? Was he drafted? Where is he on New England's Depth Chart? What position is normal for him as a DB? What was his record as a playmaker in the NFL ... ie how many picks did he have entering that Super Bowl game?

I'll venture to post that...not one member of this board could answer half of those questions before he made that 'Hero Play' yesterday

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4777713/malcolm-butler-an-unlikely-hero

Little-known Malcolm Butler an unlikely hero for Patriots

February, 2, 2015 ... 2:25 AM ET

By: Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

My point is that Seattle liked the matchup and former Green Bay Packer Coach Darrell Bevell made the call for a slant pass. Rookie Malcolm Butler (who had zero NFL picks) is lined up in the end zone about seven yards from the goal line. So what went wrong?

This slant is a TD or an incompletion if Ricardo Lockette simply gets his hands up for the catch. I mean his hands moved in 'slow motion'. Lockette might have been more aggressive on that play.

Little known CB Malcolm Butler was aggressive. he made the pick and his team escapes a bullet and wins a close exciting game. That's the end of the story.

Sure it is ! yak yak Yak !

Deon Sanders was being Deion and blowing off after the game and expounding his view that the play call was "the WORST in Super Bowl history". A tad too much emotion? Marshall Falk had no words for that call. Michael Irvin didn't have the intended receivers name right.

I asked myself: How much does NFL.Com pay these guys?

Pete Carroll on the other hand took full responsibility for the loss. Pete Carroll fully explained the reason for that call and his thinking of what the whole series of calls was intended to be including using the one remaining Time Out. Pete Carroll has a ton of class. Pete Carroll's team was (a just maybe?) one made play away from back to back Super Bowl wins.

Every Packer fan should just wish to be where Pete Carroll's team was with :28 let in the fourth Quarter. So close to back to back Super Bowl wins.

[Bossman641]

New England didn't call a timeout after the first down carry because they were not going to even contest a rushing attempt. If Lynch had been given the ball on second down, the line would have allowed Lynch to score. The timeout is worth more than the time to New England at that point.

Think about it, why was New England in a 4-3 look 2nd and goal from the 1-yard line? They were playing pass all the way because they didn't want anything other than a TD/turnover/incompletion. Had the Seahawks scored a TD, the Pats would have had the ball with 24ish seconds left and all three timeouts, needing only a FG to tie.

How are you coming to this conclusion? The DL fired off the ball on 2nd down. There was no let up in their play. On top of that, NE stayed in a big package and didn't match Seattle's 3 WR look.

I think both Belicheck and Carroll screwed up the ending of that game. Belicheck should have been using the 2 remaining TO to ensure NE had some time remaining. Seattle should have run a safer play. I hate when we run slants from in close. There is too much traffic in there.

[KYPack]

Red, feeling a little shaky this AM?

You got that fucked up & didn't even watch the SB?

Hmmm.

[woodbuck27]

How are you coming to this conclusion? The DL fired off the ball on 2nd down. There was no let up in their play. On top of that, NE stayed in a big package and didn't match Seattle's 3 WR look.

I think both Belicheck and Carroll screwed up the ending of that game. Belicheck should have been using the 2 remaining TO to ensure NE had some time remaining. Seattle should have run a safer play. I hate when we run slants from in close. There is too much traffic in there.

Good observations Bossman641.

Here's exactly how New England defended on 2nd and goal @ 0:28 in the game:

'Out of the horses mouth' what Bill Belichick said about that game clinching play ...See 3:25 of this video:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/02/new...dad-super-bowl