Official Super Bowl XLIX Thread

[woodbuck27]

If the Pats were going to let them score, then you would have seen the DL come off the ball with a very lethargic rush. Watch the DL on the INT, they fire off the ball. They weren't letting them score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8

The Seattle offense was showing pass.

Bill Belichick saw that and adjusted for that and prayed for a turnover.

Didn't a 'Higher Power' bless him?

[Bossman641]

The Seattle offense was showing pass.

Bill Belichick saw that and adjusted for that and prayed for a turnover.

Didn't a 'Higher Power' bless him?

If anyone adjusted for it, it would have been an on the field defender. Seattle didn't get the line until there was about 14 seconds on the play clock. At that time, communication between the coach and the player had already been cut off.

Reality is Belichick screwed up and got away with it.

[mraynrand]

I agree that Cheat was letting his D win or lose the game. So you let the clock run to reduce the other guy's options, make them make decisions. And you trust your guys to make plays. That's what a defensive coach like Cheat does, and it's won him 6 superbowls.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

Your challenge for today.....

Before reading this. What most likely would have been Mike McCarthy's call on 2nd and goal from the oppositions 1 yard line?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/2/7965223/what-the-other-30-nfl-teams-would-have-done-on-2nd-and-1

What the other 30 NFL teams would have done on 2nd-and-1

By: Ryan Nanni  @celebrityhottub on Feb 2 2015, 2:50p

[Bossman641]

Comment woodbuck27:

Your challenge for today.....

Before reading this. What most likely would have been Mike McCarthy's call on 2nd and goal from the oppositions 1 yard line?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/2/7965223/what-the-other-30-nfl-teams-would-have-done-on-2nd-and-1

What the other 30 NFL teams would have done on 2nd-and-1

By: Ryan Nanni  @celebrityhottub on Feb 2 2015, 2:50p

Unfortunately probably the tired FB give to Kuhn

[pbmax]

The Seattle offense was showing pass.

Bill Belichick saw that and adjusted for that and prayed for a turnover.

Didn't a 'Higher Power' bless him?

That is a run D all the way.

The only question is how certain BB could have been that if they defended the run, that the Seachickens would run the pick play from the stacked receivers.

[woodbuck27]

That is a run D all the way.

The only question is how certain BB could have been that if they defended the run, that the Seachickens would run the pick play from the stacked receivers.

New England comparatively and certainly Vs Seattle didn't have a run 'D' in that situation.

If Seattle runs the ball with Marshawn Lynch it's abundantly probable that he scores a TD.

Belichick bet on the more probable of two "I need to be lucky situations" to make the defensive play:

Seattle showed pass and Bill Belichick set his defense (defensive backs) and hoped to defend pass and get a turn over.

At the end of that Super Bowl day:

Belichick arrived again as "Hoody Genius".

[pbmax]

New England comparatively and certainly Vs Seattle didn't have a run 'D' in that situation.

There are 7 players on the LOS, 1 at LB depth. 8 in the box versus a nickel alignment from the Seahawks. Each WR is man on man and there is not safety deep. That is a defense tilted against the run.

[pbmax]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/bill-belichick-considered-timeout-before-final-play-but-we-were-ok/

“We certainly gave some consideration to taking a timeout there and leaving some time on the clock. I don’t know if that would have been a bad thing to do. It might have been a good thing to do, but it just seemed in the flow of the game we were OK with where we were,” Belichick said on WEEI

From WEEI: http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/...-a-great-play/

“When they got down to the 5-yard line, our first thought was to not let them run it in,” said Belichick. “They certainly had plenty of time at that point. First they took the timeout. Then [Marshawn] Lynch got down to around the [1-yard line] and we put our goal-line defense in probably around the same time they were sending in their multiple receiver group, which was kind of what we wanted to be in there, make sure they didn’t run the ball in, which I’d like to think had they run the ball against our goal line defense with three receivers on the field, we couldn’t ask for more than that in terms of stopping the running game. We saw that matchup.

[Bossman641]

Did Carroll really think NE was going to match their 3 wr set with a nickel package and allow Lynch to run against a weakened box? Have to wonder if an older QB then Wilson would have checked into a different play. With that much girth on the field it would have been a perfect situation for him to run some kind of rollout and scramble in.

[pbmax]

Did Carroll really think NE was going to match their 3 wr set with a nickel package and allow Lynch to run against a weakened box? Have to wonder if an older QB then Wilson would have checked into a different play. With that much girth on the field it would have been a perfect situation for him to run some kind of rollout and scramble in.

You don't know. But by making NE choose how to defend, you give yourself an advantage over them. Yes, it means that your favorite option gets taken away.

But they had a huge edge for a pass. Man to man across the board. They just choose to run the play Butler knew how to blow up.

[pbmax]

I think this has been posted elsewhere, but the video points out that Pete was going to run with 3 WR, New England wasn't buying it and was happy to take that off the table.

Also seems to lay waste claim made yesterday that New England didn't adjust to the 3 WR. Video shows Butler was late substitution to counter 3 WR. But it was still a goalline defense, but with 3 DBs and one less LB.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468077/article/malcolm-butler-a-late-substitution-on-gamewinner

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ut-we-were-ok/



From WEEI: http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/...-a-great-play/

I'm not claiming that the alignment that New England showed wasn't their goal line run defense...'only' it looks thin to me.

This has already been posted:

Before that final 2nd and goal and attempted pick play. DB Malcolm Butler was on the Patriot sideline. He wasn't going to be used as a defender.

When it was observed that Seattle had three WR's in their huddle. Malcolm Butler was sent into defend on Settle's RHS along with and set up behind CB Brandon Browner who was assigned to cover Seattle WR Jermaine Kearse. Malcolm Butler had to cover Ricardo Lockette. The plan was for Browner to force Seattle's Kearse back and into the path of any Seattle slant play with Ricardo Lockette as the target.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If the Pats were going to let them score, then you would have seen the DL come off the ball with a very lethargic rush. Watch the DL on the INT, they fire off the ball. They weren't letting them score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8

Nope, I'm not convinced.

The Seachickens OL didn't drive off the ball to run block. If they had, you may have seen the Pats DL relax. Instead, the Seattle OL dropped back to pass block. Therefore, it is reasonable that the Pats DL would drive off the ball to disrupt Wilson's pass and contain him so he would throw the ball and not run with it, given they were trying to force an interception.

If Wilson had not thrown the ball, but rather tucked it and run, you may have seen the Pats defense relax. The Pats were playing for an interception.

As far as the run alignment goes, if the Pats wanted to force a pass and an interception, wouldn't you expect them to show a run defense to bait Wilson into throwing?

Moreover, I still haven't found anyone who will honestly say they expected the Pats to win the game by seriously mounting a goal line defense. As has been mentioned, the Pats defense was weak all season in goal line defenses. Certainly, Belichick knew this about his own defense.

Of course, we will never know for sure whether Belichick was employing the let-them-score strategy unless he or one of his players fesses up. But don't hold your breath.

The truth and reality of the situation would have been obvious to all of us if Carroll had less time left on the clock. If there were only time for one play, it would have turned into an Ice Bowl situation where the intentions of both teams were obvious.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/05/pete-carroll-realizes-seahawks-arent-on-the-same-page-about-play-call/

Pete Carroll realizes Seahawks aren’t on the same page about play call

Posted by Mike Florio on February 5, 2015, 8:13 AM EST

" .... Carroll isn’t looking for closure, at least not within himself.

“These don’t go away,” Carroll said. “These occurrences, they don’t leave. These occurrences have stayed with me over the years in a manner that they fuel me.... I don’t really even want to lose those. I don’t want to wash them out and ignore them. I just want them to be in a place where they’re gonna help me be right.” ..."


" ... So how will he be right with his players moving forward? “By getting to the truth, by getting there, talking about it, facing it up,” Carroll said. “Everybody’s cleared their minds. When you finally gather and you’re ready to take that next step, we’re gonna go places that are extraordinary.”

Asked if there’s a story of redemption planned for the Seahawks, Carroll smiled and said, “It’s well underway.” ..."