Mike McCarthy Retires His Sharpie: Clements Promoted to Playcaller

[woodbuck27]

It was just a few years ago they were outstanding in the red zone, wasn't it? Heck, Crosby never seemed to get an attempt under 35 yards. Is it just that the DCs have caught on to what he does?

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

[Pugger]

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct

NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

Very interesting to see OAKLAND #1. Another interesting thing was seeing Seattle was worse in the red zone than we were!

[Patler]

Very interesting to see OAKLAND #1. Another interesting thing was seeing Seattle was worse in the red zone than we were!

Probably has something to do with having had very few trips to the red zone.

[Patler]

Another example of how we have been spoiled. I think most of us had the feeling the Packers were really bad in the red zone this year. Yet, they were #11. But, we have been accustomed to them being:

#1 - 2012
#3 - 2011
#4 - 2010
#5 - 2008
#7 - 2009
#9 - 2007

[pbmax]

Another example of how we have been spoiled. I think most of us had the feeling the Packers were really bad in the red zone this year. Yet, they were #11. But, we have been accustomed to them being:

#1 - 2012
#3 - 2011
#4 - 2010
#5 - 2008
#7 - 2009
#9 - 2007

Clearly you should never pass in the red zone.

[mraynrand]

Clearly you should never pass in the red zone.

Where does the Packer offense rank on second and goal on the 1 in the Superbowl?

[pbmax]

Where does the Packer offense rank on second and goal on the 1 in the Superbowl?

They are hiring a coach from UCLA to work on that exact question.

[mraynrand]

I don't have a clue what he knows about D...

just an abstract thought question: I hear this claim a lot (one side of the ball knows nothing about the other side), but it can't be true, right? To design and run an effective offense, you have to understand defenses and vice versa, no?

[mraynrand]

Not saying he will fail, but just because he is good with offense doesn't mean he will improve ST by being there. There can be conflict as well over who is in charge in the players' view. There was no question who was in charge of the offense, it was MM. The OCs knew it. The players knew it. If he now intends to spend equal time in all three phases..........?

Perhaps he is just a good coach, and knows enough about all aspects to give insight as needed, and oversee without interfering.

[pbmax]

just an abstract thought question: I hear this claim a lot (one side of the ball knows nothing about the other side), but it can't be true, right? To design and run an effective offense, you have to understand defenses and vice versa, no?

Yes, but....

That understanding involved what the defense will react with if you do X, Y or Z. It also involves calculations of relative strengths.

It does not require the ability to put together an entire, comprehensive and thorough offensive system. Its doesn't mean you could assemble the syllabus to get it installed in 14 offseason weeks and it doesn't mean you can teach it.

But its not impossible to solve. Lot's of people over-reacted to Andy Reid naming his O line coach the new D coordinator. And there were problems in the transition. But by midseason, that unit was performing better than the O.

So really McCarthy's choice here is whom will have control of the details. If its him, it will be rough. If he is just there to lend experience and a keen eye, then I don't think it will be a problem.

[Smidgeon]

It was just a few years ago they were outstanding in the red zone, wasn't it? Heck, Crosby never seemed to get an attempt under 35 yards. Is it just that the DCs have caught on to what he does?

No more Finley.

[Joemailman]

Packers red zone efficiency in the Rodgers years:

2008: 61.29% (5th)
2009: 60.42% (7th)
2010: 62.69% (4th)
2011: 65.22% (3rd)
2012: 68.52% (1st)
2013: 50.72% (26th)
2014: 57.14% (11th)

With the exception of 2013 when Rodgers missed half the season, the numbers have been fairly consistent, ranging from 57.14% t0 68.52%, never finishing below 11th. It's possible the loss of Finley has been a factor. Losing James Jones may have been a factor as well. He was a major endzone target in 2011-2012.

[hoosier]

Packers red zone efficiency in the Rodgers years:

2008: 61.29% (5th)
2009: 60.42% (7th)
2010: 62.69% (4th)
2011: 65.22% (3rd)
2012: 68.52% (1st)
2013: 50.72% (26th)
2014: 57.14% (11th)

With the exception of 2013 when Rodgers missed half the season, the numbers have been fairly consistent, ranging from 57.14% t0 68.52%, never finishing below 11th. It's possible the loss of Finley has been a factor. Losing James Jones may have been a factor as well. He was a major endzone target in 2011-2012.

Interesting. If I didn't know any better I would have thought Lacy and the emergence of a pound-it-out running game would have offset the losses of Finley and Jones. Apparently, and despite Lacy, they still have difficulty getting yardage on the ground when the opponent most expects it.

[pbmax]

Interesting. If I didn't know any better I would have thought Lacy and the emergence of a pound-it-out running game would have offset the losses of Finley and Jones. Apparently, and despite Lacy, they still have difficulty getting yardage on the ground when the opponent most expects it.

On this topic, the wist theory of Packer Offensive lineman does hold, like a stopped clock being right two times a day.

They don't have a surplus of drive blockers and running versus a stacked box creates challenges they can struggle to solve.

[Joemailman]

On this topic, the wist theory of Packer Offensive lineman does hold, like a stopped clock being right two times a day.

They don't have a surplus of drive blockers and running versus a stacked box creates challenges they can struggle to solve.

Perhaps they don't have the horses (or oxen) to improve, but I wonder if they've brought in Solari to try and improve that.