Mike McCarthy Retires His Sharpie: Clements Promoted to Playcaller

[woodbuck27]

I thought the analysis of th87 showed that ARod shouldn't be given a free pass in the end of game situations; that ARod needed to improve in the last part of the 4th quarter in close games when we are trailing.

And until we have data for all of the other teams and QBs, trying to make a broad conclusion from one data point is crazy.

I don't give a damn what other teams are doing ThunderDan. What would have been to use your word 'crazy'; would have been to see Mike McCarthy calling plays again next season.

Shared blame between Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy's conservative play calling to protect leads instead of being aggressive and simply crushing the opposition? We're aware that Aaron Rodgers commands a good share of the play calling. It's not his style to just get by on offense in any game. That's more of how MM plays it.

This decision to alter who calls plays is more than just the NFCC and Seattle.

In Seattle and the NFCC game 'the audible' was compromised by a) the crowd noise B) Aaron Rodgers limited mobility.

Looking at that collapse. What contributed to an outstanding number of errors. What bite the Packers in the ass most; was MM's conservative play calls early in the game; when Seattle was gift wrapping the Packers the game and Mike McCarthy refused to take advantage.

In my view of things and what the Packers needed to do looking to next season is make a change. Obviously the Powers in the Packer organization agreed.

My analysis clearly found that changes had to be made on ST's and certainly in regards to that and the punting game. kicking protection and KO returns. From watching games and Mike McCarthy it was obvious to me that the same patterns of conservatism showed up. I record and study every Packer game I can get. I see his conservatism. I see his record tossing flags. I see him kicking FG's when he should punt. I see him with the blinders on and not aware of things as much as he should be.

His unawareness of his best defensive players status (Clay Matthews) late in the NFCC was damning. When Clay Matthews left that game it began to slip away.

I concur with your suggestion ThunderDan.

Why not take the lead and determine just what exacatly caused 4th Qtr. comebacks to fail? What caused two score leads to become reduced to single score leads?

or

Use all the time that might take to simply applaud the changes we all see happening.

[woodbuck27]

I'm not poo pooing the changes at all. I think it is a good move, frankly. Now Mike can oversee everything on game day and I doubt we'll see a big change in our offense. I've never had an issue with MM's play calling. IMO most of the time when plays don't work it is an execution problem. If our offense converts a few more 3rd downs the outcome of the NFCC game is very different and we aren't discussing most of the stuff on this forum right now.

I guess it is your choice of words towards me and condescending tone that bothers me. I try to treat everyone here with courtesy no matter who they are except perhaps at times with trolls like Tank. We do banter here with colorful language that isn't seen on other forums. I don't have problem with that. Some of the kidding around and teasing is fun. But I'm not some young kid who just fell off the turnip truck. I've been watching football longer than you might think.

GO PACK GO !

[Smidgeon]

I suspect the reason for not having more play-calling specialist coaches is because they'd be obvious targets of poaching if they were any good at their job. A HC who calls plays is really the only way to ensure continuity.

Unless they have the "Assistant HC" title...

[pbmax]

Three in the hand is worth Four in the bush?

I can see it being hard to turn down 3 on the first drive. But the second was handed to you. Up 6 is great but not a huge deficit. A 4th down TD there was well worth the effort, especially after a Seattle TO left their offense deflated.

[pbmax]

I suspect the reason for not having more play-calling specialist coaches is because they'd be obvious targets of poaching if they were any good at their job. A HC who calls plays is really the only way to ensure continuity.

Hoody has probably provided some impetus in the other direction. At one point I think he had a ball boy calling plays after his OCs left to be Head Coaches.

[pbmax]

There is a bit of a disconnect in tying these changes to the 4 minute offense. Of all the late game calumny's, this was not the most egregious example (might be the worst loss, but had multiple causes beyond the 4 minute offense) of the mis-application of the 4 minute offense. Mike even waited until 5 minutes were left.

I suspect that M3 and T2 thought that game should have been decisively in the Packer win column and look at least at the 4th quarter as poorly managed.

I hope he takes the time to alter the 4MO and reconsiders the early 4th and goals, but I think its more the 4th quarter game facts (Thomas, Sherman, Matthews injuries) that have them upset.

[Rastak]

Considering the OC hasn't called plays ever for MM, what's the difference if its MM or the Assistant HC calling the plays?

MM might be on the cutting edge of something here. There was an article a while back that suggested this very thing. An assistant HC in charge of play calling. The argument was that with as complex as offenses have become in player groupings, the OC has a lot of player management responsibilities during the game. Not an issue for GB and other teams where the HC calls plays, but shouldn't the HC have other things on his mind, too?

So, why not a coach who can focus entirely on play calling duties?

Look, having one guy come up with the game plan (at least that's the majority of OC responsibility) and having someone else call the plays he puts into the gameplan isn't remotely unheard of. Head coaches do it all the time, just seems odd that a guy who isn't the head coach and isn't responsible for putting the gameplan together would.

[red]

maybe fat mikes vagina hurts because of everyone ripping on his play calling, maybe TC is a patsy?

i remember i once had a boss that told me and my coworkers that he "pays us to be wrong", so he never has to look bad

[pbmax]

What would have been to use your word 'crazy'; would have been to see Mike McCarthy calling plays again next season.

Yeah, 1st in the league in scoring is kinda crazy, especially when you are doing it all wrong.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, 1st in the league in scoring is kinda crazy, especially when you are doing it all wrong.

First in the league in scoring but you certainly know there was no balance between what the Packers did at home Vs on the road.

[Pugger]

First in the league in scoring but you certainly know there was no balance between what the Packers did at home Vs on the road.

And this is really puzzling. In years past our road record was much better than it was this past season.

[pbmax]

And this is really puzzling. In years past our road record was much better than it was this past season.

New center and pass pro explain much of the variance. Once Bulaga got healthy and Linsley more experience, it wasn't as much of an issue.

That said, M3 has a very good road record overall. It was his home record that used to worry people.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2358925-pros-outweigh-the-cons-in-packers-removing-mike-mccarthy-as-playcaller

Pros Outweigh the Cons in Packers Removing Mike McCarthy as Playcaller

By: Zach Kruse , NFC North Lead Writer

Feb 9, 2015

POLL:

Should Mike McCarthy relinquish his role as playcaller?

Yes 70.9%

No 11.7%

Unsure 17.4%

Total votes: 2,523

[ThunderDan]

Excellent, we are going to go to running the Packers by majority vote.

Only two more years until we are fighting for a 6-10 record like back in the 70s.

[woodbuck27]

Excellent, we are going to go to running the Packers by majority vote.

Only two more years until we are fighting for a 6-10 record like back in the 70s.

Your optimism is noted and recorded.

For you to be correct Packer failure is imminent.

I believe your wrong.