Holy relic bought at goodwill for 58 cents

[Deputy Nutz]

As much as he was a unifying figure for the Packers while he played there, he was a polarizing figure in the years after he left. His actions during that time gave me a more full and complete picture of the man. What ever the prevailing attitude of the "Packer Nation" was in the '70s and '80s, which Harlan, Wolf, Favre and others elevated, it paled in comparison to the venom that was created in the handling of Favre's departure. There was never a more uncomfortable time to be a Packer fan.

There is nothing for me to forgive, Favre did nothing to me. He is what he is. Like all of us, he is a mixture of good and bad. It's only the proportions of each that vary under differing conditions.

Unique or special people, as you referred to Favre, in my opinion, are no more deserving of forgiveness than common and ordinary people. People do not earn forgiveness from their previous good deeds. People earn forgiveness from what they do later. People who are contrite earn forgiveness. People who recognize the harm they've caused and try to correct it earn forgiveness. I have no idea if Favre even recognizes his mistakes, let alone regrets them. Forgiveness is for those he affected. That's not me. I simply try to see what he was and is. I hope to give him the opportunity to be what he will be, whether that is good or bad.

I am sure that Packer fans of the 60s were not real happy that Lombardi left the team for greener pastures. They probably thought it sucked, but Lombardi died very shortly afterwards so not many people can hold a grudge after that. Lombardi has the fricking Super Bowl trophy named after him, he is a source of pride for the Packers. So is Curly Lambeau, and he really had issues with the Packer and the city of Green Bay. It was a real love hate relationship. Favre should be a source of pride for the franchise, as well. His play on the field should be enough regardless of the messy divorce from the Packers. The dust has settled, why kick it back up again when we all should be treated to one of the great homecomings in Packer history.

I think we all need to just get over it. So the Packers lost a few fans and Favre lost a few fans in the matter. Does it really matter? Favre is one of the greatest if not the greatest player in the history of Green Bay and people really need to get over it, and let this feud die. It is really a huge black eye for the franchise and the history of the Green Bay Packers.

[Deputy Nutz]

" i'm not sure what 46 means, it can't be the year because he wasn't at west point until 1948, maybe size?" red



Vince Lombardi played football at the guard position.



He was a barrel chested man.

It's not inconceivable that he had a 46 inch chest size.

I looked for his vital stats and wasn't successful in my research.

It could be his number, or something to do with being a cadet? I am a pretty barrel chested human and I at one time had a 56 inch chest, now I am a 54. So a 46 wouldn't be incredibly large.

[Deputy Nutz]

sorry I trolled this thread.

[woodbuck27]

I am sure that Packer fans of the 60s were not real happy that Lombardi left the team for greener pastures. They probably thought it sucked, but Lombardi died very shortly afterwards so not many people can hold a grudge after that. Lombardi has the fricking Super Bowl trophy named after him, he is a source of pride for the Packers. So is Curly Lambeau, and he really had issues with the Packer and the city of Green Bay. It was a real love hate relationship. Favre should be a source of pride for the franchise, as well. His play on the field should be enough regardless of the messy divorce from the Packers. The dust has settled, why kick it back up again when we all should be treated to one of the great homecomings in Packer history.

I think we all need to just get over it. So the Packers lost a few fans and Favre lost a few fans in the matter. Does it really matter? Favre is one of the greatest if not the greatest player in the history of Green Bay and people really need to get over it, and let this feud die. It is really a huge black eye for the franchise and the history of the Green Bay Packers.

I can positively report this as a fact:

I try to be honest with myself as a fan of Brett Favre in terms of how he is perceived today.

Brett Favre gets a great deal of love and appreciation from Packer fans.

His homecoming for the induction into the Green Bay Packer HOF and Number retirement will be an enormous celebration and success.

Congratulations to the Green Bay Packers Organization and Brett Favre and his Family.

[KYPack]

I'm not sure you can call Hornung being picked in the expansion draft leaving "for greener pastures." He never played for the Saints, but even if he had, it wasn't a very green pasture.

Better examples might be Herb Adderley and Forrest Gregg, who both won a Super Bowl with the Cowboys.

I have no problem with Favre playing elsewhere if he wanted to continue his career. I don't respect many of the other things he did and a lot of what he said for several years.

I meant $, not grass.

Paul wanted to play for NO, for the upside to his paycheck.

He had negotiated a deal with the Saints that would have paid him a bundle to play down there.

One doctor had cleared him to play. When he still had nerve pain, he saw a doc in San Diego (Saints TC headquarters).

This doc told him one lick to his neck and he would be a quad.

Paul announced his retirement and (as you said) never played a game for the Saints.

He still made about triple his GB salary with radio TV and endorsement deals.

[Patler]

I am sure that Packer fans of the 60s were not real happy that Lombardi left the team for greener pastures. They probably thought it sucked, but Lombardi died very shortly afterwards so not many people can hold a grudge after that. Lombardi has the fricking Super Bowl trophy named after him, he is a source of pride for the Packers. So is Curly Lambeau, and he really had issues with the Packer and the city of Green Bay. It was a real love hate relationship. Favre should be a source of pride for the franchise, as well. His play on the field should be enough regardless of the messy divorce from the Packers. The dust has settled, why kick it back up again when we all should be treated to one of the great homecomings in Packer history.

I think we all need to just get over it. So the Packers lost a few fans and Favre lost a few fans in the matter. Does it really matter? Favre is one of the greatest if not the greatest player in the history of Green Bay and people really need to get over it, and let this feud die. It is really a huge black eye for the franchise and the history of the Green Bay Packers.

From my personal experiences at the time, there was little anger among fans when Lombardi left. Disappointment and frustration, but not anger. Lombardi left because he got an ownership interest in the Redskins. He had said for several years that he was interested in becoming a part owner eventually. Green Bay could never offer that. There was even talk about if the Packers could have made changes to allow some typical ownership benefits for a head coach.

Why do people say it is time to get over the Favre situation? What is there to get over? It is simply history. I don't deny what he did as a player good and bad. Some want to remember only the good. I prefer more objectivity.

[Deputy Nutz]

Do you prefer more objectivity with just Favre, or with all of the sports personalities your follow?

[esoxx]

I meant $, not grass.

Paul wanted to play for NO, for the upside to his paycheck.

He had negotiated a deal with the Saints that would have paid him a bundle to play down there.

One doctor had cleared him to play. When he still had nerve pain, he saw a doc in San Diego (Saints TC headquarters).

This doc told him one lick to his neck and he would be a quad.

Paul announced his retirement and (as you said) never played a game for the Saints.

He still made about triple his GB salary with radio TV and endorsement deals.

Jim Taylor succeeded in getting out of GB for the greener pastures of NO. He didn't leave on good terms. He was pissed off at VL and felt underpaid/underappreciated. Some reports indicate they barely spoke in Taylor's last year in GB. The Pack had drafted the Gold Dust Twins Anderson & Grabowski and paid them way more than Jim & Paul ever made.

Often times things get ugly towards the end. I only care what they did on the field (assuming they didn't lop people's heads off like the Juice).

[woodbuck27]

From my personal experiences at the time, there was little anger among fans when Lombardi left. Disappointment and frustration, but not anger. Lombardi left because he got an ownership interest in the Redskins. He had said for several years that he was interested in becoming a part owner eventually. Green Bay could never offer that. There was even talk about if the Packers could have made changes to allow some typical ownership benefits for a head coach.

Why do people say it is time to get over the Favre situation? What is there to get over? It is simply history. I don't deny what he did as a player good and bad. Some want to remember only the good. I prefer more objectivity.

No you don't have to 'just get over it'.

That has to come of yourself.

I know this. I'll likely be away on a long vacation during the time of this ceremony. I'll not see it recorded in full or parts for some time after but that day I'll be toasting Brett Favre if I'm alive.

I do think as it stands now that as many Green Bay Packer fans as possible should be able to at least see his number retirement ceremony just like a prominent NHL player in his home venue. That number retirement ceremony is the greatest honor and all of his fans should enjoy it first hand.

The retirement of any Montreal Canadians number wasn't held at the YMCA ! It took place at the home of the hockey team. The Montreal Forum or the Bell Center in later years.

That should by all means be held prior to a Packer game next season at Lambeau Field. I'm disappointed that isn't as planned today. I hope that changes. The fans need to see this and accept whatever healing and it shouldn't just be available to the sponsors and certain dignitaries in some restrictive venue.

I predict that Packer Nation will strongly agree with me.

[Patler]

I meant $, not grass.

Paul wanted to play for NO, for the upside to his paycheck.

He had negotiated a deal with the Saints that would have paid him a bundle to play down there.

One doctor had cleared him to play. When he still had nerve pain, he saw a doc in San Diego (Saints TC headquarters).

This doc told him one lick to his neck and he would be a quad.

Paul announced his retirement and (as you said) never played a game for the Saints.

He still made about triple his GB salary with radio TV and endorsement deals.

Hornung left because the Saints selected him in the expansion draft. Thereafter, he simply negotiated the best deal that he could. Lombardi didn't think Hornung would be selected, because the rumors were strong the previous year that his career was done due to his recurring neck problems. One storyline is that he told Hornung he would be unprotected, and Hornung went to Fears (who he knew well in GB) and convinced Fears that he (Hornung) could serve a great promotional role for the Saints. Some even say that both Fears and Hornung suspected Hornung would never play, but drafting him would be a PR win anyway.

I always thought trading for Taylor was the better PR move by the Saints, not drafting Hornung. Taylor was a Louisiana legend and though in decline, didn't seem done. Hornung's career looked to be about done.

[Patler]

No you don't have to 'just get over it'.

That has to come of yourself.

I know this. I'll likely be away on a long vacation during the time of this ceremony. I'll not see it recorded in full or parts for some time after but that day I'll be toasting Brett Favre if I'm alive.

I do think as it stands now that as many Green Bay Packer fans as possible should be able to at least see his number retirement ceremony just like a prominent NHL player in his home venue. That number retirement ceremony is the greatest honor and all of his fans should enjoy it first hand.

The retirement of any Montreal Canadians number wasn't held at the YMCA ! It took place at the home of the hockey team. The Montreal Forum or the Bell Center in later years.

That should by all means be held prior to a Packer game next season at Lambeau Field. I'm disappointed that isn't as planned today. I hope that changes. The fans need to see this and accept whatever healing and it shouldn't just be available to the sponsors and certain dignitaries in some restrictive venue.

I predict that Packer Nation will strongly agree with me.

Are you confusing his Packer HOF induction with his number retirement? Retiring his number has always been planned for a game, they just haven't decided yet which game it will be.

[pbmax]

Are you confusing his Packer HOF induction with his number retirement? Retiring his number has always been planned for a game, they just haven't decided yet which game it will be.

Actually, they are retiring the number at the Packer HoF ceremony, that was in the announcement that came out a few days ago.

They will then have the public reveal of the number in the stadium during a game in the 2015 season.

[Patler]

Actually, they are retiring the number at the Packer HoF ceremony, that was in the announcement that came out a few days ago.

They will then have the public reveal of the number in the stadium during a game in the 2015 season.

What are they doing to retire it? There is no announcement to be made, Harlan took care of that years ago, and it was reinforced by the first announcement of the unveiling by Murphy, scuttled only when Favre decided to continue playing. The only thing of significance yet to occur is the unveiling. The fact of the retirement has been a done deal for years.

[Deputy Nutz]

Statue????

[Patler]

Statue????

Wouldn't any statue be part of the HOF ceremony, not the number retirement?. I just wonder what "extra" there will be for Favre that other Packer HOF inductees haven't gotten at the HOF ceremony.

If they were making an announcement that the number is being retired, that would be something. Maybe they will have an "official" team proclamation, or something, but the significance of it is completely gone, since they already scheduled one unveiling ceremony already.