Projected Franchise tag salaries - by positions

[woodbuck27]

No way the Pack franchises Cobb or obviously Bulaga.

I wonder about TT's recent strategy of letting guys he knows he wants to re-sign test free agency. He signed Rodgers early (twice) and it paid off bigtime. A couple others he signed too early.

Lately he's been sitting back and letting his guys set the market instead of signing them early. It seems to me that he could have signed Cobb a lot of places along the line for a lot less than he'll have to pay now. Maybe he'll end up getting him for $8 million a year and that will be the right number but right now it seems like he'll end up costing more.

Does TT like to gamble? This man is peculiar to me as he seems conservative/withdrawn. What does he do with all that time with himself. I've never seen a more alone acting man in Pro sports and with his position. Ted Thompson is an island.

Can't you hear him when asked why do you procrastinate on signings Ted?



Well ahh ...let me think ahh ....that's a tough question...

mmmm....well I guess I could simply say:

It is what it is.

[woodbuck27]

Then again it just might be this:

Ted doesn't want to short change any of his key players and his thinking is:

Ok here's what my offer is. If it's satisfactory then sign here.

Otherwise go into the market to see your value and please if the offer beats mine allow me an opportunity to at least match that offer.

TT means no disrespect and 'in fact' offers the best in that regard. The thing is I see risk involved as people may feel happy in Green Bay until they get on the outside and that players family or otherwise loved ones realize something more elsewhere.

Look at the Denver Broncos. Think Peyton Manning with Emmanuel Sanders and Demaryius Thomas. Think Peyton Manning without Demaryius Thomas.

Think Aaron Rodgers without Randall Cobb when it was Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb or the best QB 2XWR combination in the NFL.

Can Ted Thompson really afford to lose Randall Cobb? Will Davante Adams just step right up to replace all that Randall Cobb offers the Green Bay Packers?

[Smidgeon]

Stupider than the CB number?

Stupider than the RB number?

[pbmax]

Stupider than the RB number?

You only need one and the top guys can make an offense, though the reverse tends to happen too often.

I can close out a game with that guy, if my offense is actually proficient enough to get a lead.

[Guiness]

You only need one and the top guys can make an offense, though the reverse tends to happen too often.

I can close out a game with that guy, if my offense is actually proficient enough to get a lead.

Agreed, I looked at the RB number and it didn't bother me so much. I know it's sexy to call the position devalued, but it's still a position that can touch the ball 2 dozen or more times a game. The top guys deserve top money...

Doh, I just realized you didn't specify which way you thought it was stupid. It's the third lowest, above only safety and TE (didn't count kicker!). I think it's slotted way wrong, compared to the importance to a team.

[Smidgeon]

Agreed, I looked at the RB number and it didn't bother me so much. I know it's sexy to call the position devalued, but it's still a position that can touch the ball 2 dozen or more times a game. The top guys deserve top money...

Doh, I just realized you didn't specify which way you thought it was stupid. It's the third lowest, above only safety and TE (didn't count kicker!). I think it's slotted way wrong, compared to the importance to a team.

I was referencing the devaluation of the position. The franchise number is (if I remember) the average of the top 5 at the position. Besides AP and Maybe Lynch, what RBs are valued at over $10 MM per year? I'm not sure any should be over $6-7 MM right now.

There almost seems to be fewer dependable RBs than there are dependable QBs, although I figure that's actually impossible.

[Guiness]

I was referencing the devaluation of the position. The franchise number is (if I remember) the average of the top 5 at the position. Besides AP and Maybe Lynch, what RBs are valued at over $10 MM per year? I'm not sure any should be over $6-7 MM right now.

There almost seems to be fewer dependable RBs than there are dependable QBs, although I figure that's actually impossible.

I do think it's ridiculous that it's the third lowest #. There are other backs that carry the load and are more than dependable, they are game changing: from this past season, Murray, McCoy and Bell were all outstanding. Bell is going nowhere but up, and could become the best back in the league now. Forte went over 1K on the ground...and added 800 yards in the air - he's the only one that kept that team from a top 5 draft choice, cause it certainly wasn't Cutler! Morris, Foster and Gore (despite the later two being a little long in the tooth) all also did well on bad teams.

[denverYooper]

The Packer skew my perception probably since Ted could draft either position from a hospital bed.

My sense is top WR don't dominate games so much as their teams' offenses. While a top CB can remove a threat all together. Fitz and CJ earned huge contracts while playing for some middling teams. Vincent Jackson's contract was dumb and Mike Wallace wasn't far behind.

However, just as you can find bargain basement, mid to late round WRs and do well, I suppose you can play zone CBs and be effective without shelling out top dollar.

I am probably complaining about just a handful of players.

And the Vikings just sit by Ted's bed collecting his castoffs. Norv Turner said Charles Johnson is the Vikings' best WR

[vince]

If you had a big time Tight End you'd be in business. Otherwise it's just ridiculous all around. 26 million for Detroit to franchise Suh? Where's he gonna end up? Seattle? That'd be brutal. They should dump Beastmode and sign Suh. Although he could be one screw-up away from being out of the league for a year. He also could be the missing link to one of the best defenses since the '85 Bears. I sure hope Wilson costs 'em a ton of money and soon because the Pack needs them to lose some talent not get more.

Packers need them to sign Beastmode for big money and then he needs to go down with a chronic back. I don't know where Suh's gonna end up but that could be big. Anywhere but Seatlle.

Jason Lacanfora tweeted that NFL sources are saying a deal with Lynch is being finalized for 2 years/$21 mil. $12 next year and $9 the year after.

[Guiness]

Jason Lacanfora tweeted that NFL sources are saying a deal with Lynch is being finalized for 2 years/$21 mil. $12 next year and $9 the year after.

Ya, and shortly after that dweeb made the 'announcement' Lynch's agent came out and denied it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/21/no-marshawn-lynch-deal-yet/

After Hendrickson said there isn’t, La Canfora has backpedaled faster than Darrell Green, claiming that he continues to hear that the Seahawks have an offer on the table that “will result in a deal.”

Lacanfora can have some decent insights, but he's an idea/analysis guy. Looking to him for factual information...not so much. Based on his track record, he's got about as many NFL sources as you and I.

[vince]

Ya, and shortly after that dweeb made the 'announcement' Lynch's agent came out and denied it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/21/no-marshawn-lynch-deal-yet/

Lacanfora can have some decent insights, but he's an idea/analysis guy. Looking to him for factual information...not so much. Based on his track record, he's got about as many NFL sources as you and I.

Obviously there's no deal signed yet, and Lynch's agent still has some dealpoints he's trying to negotiate for his client, but Lacanfora stuck to his story. Not sure what PFT is talking about him backpedaling. You don't work for the biggest football media outlet as an "insider" without having some actual sources throughout the league. I understand that these guys get used by both team and player reps so they often get told what teams and agents want to see reported, but someone inside in Seattle is telling him something, and whoever it is thinks the broad strokes of a deal are in place.

I'm all for Lynch getting big money. The bigger the better.

[Guiness]

Obviously there's no deal signed yet, and Lynch's agent still has some dealpoints he's trying to negotiate for his client, but Lacanfora stuck to his story. Not sure what PFT is talking about him backpedaling. You don't work for the biggest football media outlet as an "insider" without having some actual sources throughout the league. I understand that these guys get used by both team and player reps so they often get told what teams and agents want to see reported, but someone inside in Seattle is telling him something, and whoever it is thinks the broad strokes of a deal are in place.

I'm all for Lynch getting big money. The bigger the better.

How this plays out is going to be something else. He is, after all, under contract for next season ($5M base +$2M LTBE incentives), but it seems to be a given that he will get a new contract. I wonder if the Seahawks are considering playing hardball with him at all? The NFLPA really dropped the ball during the last set of negotiations, the fines for missing camp are pretty prohibitive and would force Lynch's hand quickly.

[pbmax]

Jason was telling the team side of the story, Florio is telling the agent's side. The team wanted the fans to know they are offering big money to a popular player. La Canfora just put it much too strongly.