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  • Reasons for Monday's Lopsided Loss

    After much reflection, here are my reasons while the score was exaggerated:

    • It seems that MM is highly secretive and wants to win the first Bear game at all costs – so much so that he is already closing off practices to game plan for the Bears and dedicating his time focusing on developing a scheme to stop the Bears rather than to stop the opposing teams in preseason. (MM is also unwilling to do much cut-blocking in the preseason (for whatever reason) – I am assuming this will change in the regular season.)
    • So far, the offensive and defensive sets for the Packers have been very vanilla, which seems to reinforce the MM is worried about letting too much out too quickly.
    • Playing a vanilla scheme is not necessarily bad – it can lead to a better valuation of talent. Differing schemes can hide deficiencies, but by playing vanilla, you either make the play or not.
    • Reinforcing this idea is that MM went for it on 4th down two different times in the game and the amount of onside kicks. It seems he cares less about the game and more about putting his players in situations and seeing how they react.
    • The Bengals were getting back Palmer - and purposely developed a game plan for him to succeed. This included the no-huddle offense, 4 – 5 receiver sets, multiple formations. They knew it was imperative for him to have a good game and created schemes to create an atmosphere to have him succeed.
    • The players also were incredibly psyched in the game to play their best for Palmer (even saying so in interviews before the game) – this created an effect similar to the game that Favre played after his father died, when all the Packers brought their A game for Favre.
    • The Bengals are better than 95% of the NFC and 100% of the NFC North. Palmer is better than any QB that we play against in the NFL North.

    All of the above led to the loss to be a lopsided loss. Don’t get me wrong – the Bengals are better than the Packers, but they are better than most of the teams in the league. Also, the Packers have a lot to work on – individually we were beat a lot.

    However, it seems the lopsidedness of the loss is causing everyone to jump ship. By putting in elaborate schemes against vanilla defenses, with a psyched team, the Bengals assured themselves of a better performance. To me, this exaggerated the score and how the Packers lost.

    There is always a chance that our schemes are because 1) our coaches lack the creativity or understanding to develop more elaborate schemes or 2) our players are too inexperienced or can’t implement them. I prefer to look at the other side for now due to the reasons mentioned above – but we will get to see what is the reality at the Bears game.

    However, while the score on Monday night does represent a win by a better team, I think it is more representative of how well a team that purposely creates multiple schemes will do against a team that does not.
    'Til the End

  • #2
    The Bengals are a great team. The Packers arn't. It's really that simple to me.
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    • #3
      I think what's bothering me is that this team looked so much like the Mike Sherman teams of the last two years in the sense of the defense being unable to actually tackle, and sloppy dumb penalties reigning supreme. Ugh.
      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

      KYPack

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GregJennings
        The Bengals are a great team. The Packers arn't. It's really that simple to me.
        True. But I agree with RIP, the difference is not as great as this game would suggest.

        The first fumble w/return for a TD was a huge factor. It pumped up the Bengals and the fans. Packers were moving the ball - had they gone in for a score the Pack still looses - but it is a close game.

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        • #5
          I think it was lopsided because of the score
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tony Oday
            I think it was lopsided because of the score
            So your a math major?

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            • #7
              If your theory of holding our cards close to the vest so we can unleash our true fury on the unsuspecting Bears on Sept 10 turns out to be true I will plant a wet one on Coach McCarthy's unusually large forehead!

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              • #8
                There was some sloppy tackling, but at least in the first half, much of it was caused by a bad secondary (specifically Woodson - who miffed on at least 4 big plays).

                As I said in another thread, our run D wasn't that bad - keeping the running backs of the Bengals at a 3 yds/carry in the first half (while the Packers offense had a 3.5 yd/carry in the first half). We also didn't have any negative yard carries in the first half, while the Bengals had 3.


                Penalties are a different story - I was ticked to get as many, especially after the first few games were relatively penalty free. I am hoping this was an abberation.
                'Til the End

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Willard
                  If your theory of holding our cards close to the vest so we can unleash our true fury on the unsuspecting Bears on Sept 10 turns out to be true I will plant a wet one on Coach McCarthy's unusually large forehead!
                  I knew M3 had some unusually large parts, but hadn't counted his forehead among them. btw did anyone else notice that he's the first coach in the last decade or so to lose a little weight after taking this particular job?
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    Originally posted by Willard
                    If your theory of holding our cards close to the vest so we can unleash our true fury on the unsuspecting Bears on Sept 10 turns out to be true I will plant a wet one on Coach McCarthy's unusually large forehead!
                    I knew M3 had some unusually large parts, but hadn't counted his forehead among them. btw did anyone else notice that he's the first coach in the last decade or so to lose a little weight after taking this particular job?
                    MJ -

                    Maybe he's taking a page from Gruden and working out with his players and using Rock as his personal trainer?

                    Maybe?
                    "Everyone's born anarchist and atheist until people start lying to them" ~ wise philosopher

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CaptainKickass
                      Originally posted by MJZiggy
                      Originally posted by Willard
                      If your theory of holding our cards close to the vest so we can unleash our true fury on the unsuspecting Bears on Sept 10 turns out to be true I will plant a wet one on Coach McCarthy's unusually large forehead!
                      I knew M3 had some unusually large parts, but hadn't counted his forehead among them. btw did anyone else notice that he's the first coach in the last decade or so to lose a little weight after taking this particular job?
                      MJ -

                      Maybe he's taking a page from Gruden and working out with his players and using Rock as his personal trainer?

                      Maybe?
                      He also wore long sleaves throughout TC, even when it was 100+ degrees outside. He may be following the "Sweating with the Oldies" technique introduced by Richard Simmons. The skinnier he gets the more you will notice the size of his melon though.

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                      • #12
                        I think it is less about holding a lot against the vest vs. game planning and scheming.

                        It seemed the Bengals specifically schemed against the Packers, with a full offensive playbook - as opposed to the Pack, which seemed to do the same schemes and plays over and over again.

                        I am hoping that this is a case of MM purposely deciding on not to play the team in preseason, but to plan for the regular season. To me, the scheme can cover a lot of defiencies and attack the deficiencies of the other team. Belichek is unbelievable at this - which is the reason that while having a lack of playmakers, they continue to win.

                        I am not saying the MM is Belichek, but I am hoping that he is looking ahead rather than scheme for the preseason games - because if he is, we are in big trouble
                        'Til the End

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GregJennings
                          The Bengals are a great team. The Packers arn't. It's really that simple to me.
                          Sometimes the simplist answers are the correct ones. Well said.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
                            Originally posted by GregJennings
                            The Bengals are a great team. The Packers arn't. It's really that simple to me.
                            Sometimes the simplist answers are the correct ones. Well said.
                            Agreed. I wont' rehash my thoughts on the game. If M3 is sacrificing preseason conditioning for secretive preparation for the Bears game, I'll start the "Fire M3" petition. You DO NOT sacrifice the preseason for a single f'in game.

                            tyler
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                            A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
                            The mind is its own place, and in it self
                            Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

                            "Paradise Lost"-John Milton

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                            • #15
                              I didnt want to get my hopes up too much from that Falcons game and I was hoping to see more of the same in the Bengals game. I certainly am not jumping ship, but I am dis-heartened about our chances this season. I would love to see them do well, and given the likely hood that this wont be a stellar season, I atleast hope they can begin to get back the Lambeau Advantage for the home crowd and then build from there

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