Slight OT - Florida State QB punches girl in bar

[Rastak]

Not sure what to think of this goofy shit. He comes barging in for a drink, she takes umbrage and puts up her dukes like "let's settle this now", he kind of manhandles her a bit then she lands a weak left to the face and he delivers the stunning blow.

I think I gotta take her side here but when you throw the first punch you gotta be sure it's gonna count.

I have a question during this lull in football season which is the only reason I post this. Does the law recognize officially what sex either participant is by the letter of the law? I mean clearly a jury and probably a judge will say he's 100% at fault because you shouldn't hit a woman. Again, legally if someone hits you first, would that be assault by both parties sex of each non-withstanding?


edit: fireworks somewhere between 1:40 and 1:55

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2015/07/06/video-shows-punch-that-led-to-qbs-arrest/29775149/

[pbmax]

What an idiot. But still not as stupid as discharging a firearm in public.

[mraynrand]

This is going in a good direction - ranking the stupidity.

[Rastak]

What an idiot. But still not as stupid as discharging a firearm in public.

Smarter than Plaxico wearing a gun to a club in his sweat pants and having it slide down, he grabs it to stop the slide and shoots himself.

[Fritz]

Friends don't let friends punch women.

But the best part is that his punch didn't even put her down. Her knees buckle a little, but then she's back up.

Good question - does he get any legal points in his favor that she threw the first (albeit lame) punch? Does it matter that she's a she?

If that does matter, should prosecutors take into account that a guy in a fight with another guy is a skinny weakling?

[Patler]

Friends don't let friends punch women.

But the best part is that his punch didn't even put her down. Her knees buckle a little, but then she's back up.

Good question - does he get any legal points in his favor that she threw the first (albeit lame) punch? Does it matter that she's a she?

If that does matter, should prosecutors take into account that a guy in a fight with another guy is a skinny weakling?

If it matters that she is a she, in today's world, he was faced with many questions, because you can't take everything at face value.
Is she really a she just because she looks like a she? Did she used to be a he? Is she becoming a he?
It's a complicated world we live in.

[pbmax]

He grabbed her arm first, so he is faces the problem of escalation as well.

[Rastak]

He grabbed her arm first, so he is faces the problem of escalation as well.

She made a fist....lol....I showed that to my wife and she said it was her fault. I disagree, she had no shot in that fight and he kind of started it by trying to force his way to the bar. She looked kind of hammered though, then kind of groggy after she started spitting out teeth.

[ThunderDan]

He grabbed her arm first, so he is faces the problem of escalation as well.

Yup, he made contact first. That is a no-no.

[Zool]

She made a fist....lol....I showed that to my wife and she said it was her fault. I disagree, she had no shot in that fight and he kind of started it by trying to force his way to the bar. She looked kind of hammered though, then kind of groggy after she started spitting out teeth.

Looks to me to be a combination of idiot and idiot. Looks like she pushed ahead of him for the open bar spot then specifically stuck her ass out to block him. He should have let it go, but decided to go alpha. Stupid + stupid = stupid.

[SkinBasket]

I'm no lawyer, but he seems to clearly make first aggressive contact. More importantly, I think the question of her being a woman is covered under your responsibility to use appropriate proportional force if you feel you are "defending yourself." It's going to be hard to convince anyone that his response was proportional to the "threat" her pussy punch posed to him, even if you buy his lawyer's argument that she initiated the incident, which looks dubious at best. In fact, judging from her response, it looks like she may have felt there was some harassing contact as they jostle for space. Assplay in other words. Or grabass if you prefer.

More disturbing is the bartender's outfit.

It's too bad the whole bar didn't just blow up and kill everyone inside.

[smuggler]

She threw a knee before he grabbed her. They're both stupid, but nobody goes to jail for this one. She gets off because she's a powerless woman and the law pities her. He because she struck first. Ho hum.

[mraynrand]

More disturbing is the bartender's outfit.

Village people are people too.

[Guiness]

She was definitely acting like a douche herself, being pushy, you can almost hear her say 'keep your hands off me!' getting in his face, making a fist and waving it around a bit. Having said that, it was all drunken bravado, and he should've shrugged it off, not grabbed his arm.

IMO it's pretty murky after that. How stupid was she to throw a punch? Piss-poor a punch as it was, she landed one on his jaw. If I did that to a guy in a bar, I'd be fully prepared for whatever came right back at me.

At the end of it all, I agree that no one ends up with anything out of this.

[pbmax]

Did he disappear from the scene or did the choppy video just make it seem that way.