Randall & Rollins; or Rollins & Randall ?

[mraynrand]

Randall is the guy you will be noticing missing a lot of tackles and getting burned.

Rollins is the more physically talented, less experienced guy that everyone will be saying should be on the field instead Randall.

Does that help??

Rollins already has the upper hand according to SPH. Will see playing time at slot behind Hyde.

[SkinBasket]

House Party?

Good call. It is funny that the second recommended google image search for "Damarious Randall packers" is "Quinten Rollins."

[mraynrand]

I think Rand can recommend something for that.

I only recommend ritalin (ryetalyn) to cure Rigelian fever.

[pbmax]

Good call. It is funny that the second recommended google image search for "Damarious Randall packers" is "Quinten Rollins."

And for both of them, half the pictures are wrong. At least it wasn't three CBs this time.

[pbmax]

Rollins already has the upper hand according to SPH. Will see playing time at slot behind Hyde.

Good to know Capers has wist's back.

[wist43]

Good to know Capers has wist's back.

All rookies have to prove it on the field of course, but Randall was a major reach.

There was a lot of talk that other teams liked him in the 1st round, but I sure never saw it on any tape I watched, and mid-season and into the post-season he was considered a mid-late round pick.

He flashes plays when he's facing the LOS, which is most of what you see on tape b/c they had him playing S most of the time; but to project him outside?? and think he can turn and run with elite receivers in the NFL?? That is a huge leap of faith by TT and Capers.

Add to that the guy tackles like a Barbie Doll, and you have the makeup of a mid-round pick. He's going to struggle mightily at the next level, especially if they try to play him outside.

TT and Capers will never change though... tackling and forcing punts aren't as sexy as picks.

[sharpe1027]

TT and Capers will never change though... tackling and forcing punts aren't as sexy as picks.

I prefer turnovers to punts or tackles, but what do I know?

[Fritz]

Damarious Randall - 1st round - was college safety, attended a JUCO [from ASU]

Quinten Rollins - 2nd Round - was basketball player and started in just one year of major college football [Miami(Ohio)]

Wait, I thought that was Dmitri Goodson.

[Pugger]

All rookies have to prove it on the field of course, but Randall was a major reach.

There was a lot of talk that other teams liked him in the 1st round, but I sure never saw it on any tape I watched, and mid-season and into the post-season he was considered a mid-late round pick.

He flashes plays when he's facing the LOS, which is most of what you see on tape b/c they had him playing S most of the time; but to project him outside?? and think he can turn and run with elite receivers in the NFL?? That is a huge leap of faith by TT and Capers.

Add to that the guy tackles like a Barbie Doll, and you have the makeup of a mid-round pick. He's going to struggle mightily at the next level, especially if they try to play him outside.

TT and Capers will never change though... tackling and forcing punts aren't as sexy as picks.

Who else would you have taken at that spot if not Randall? Stephone Anthony?

[wist43]

Who else would you have taken at that spot if not Randall? Stephone Anthony?

Anthony would have been much better than Randall - just about any of the options available at positions of need would have been better than Randall. He is not a natural corner, and he certainly isn't very well suited to play outside; and as everyone has mentioned, he can't tackle - just a terrible, terrible tackler.

Anthony, I like McKinney a lot - and as for corners, I certainly like Rowe a hell of a lot more than Randall.

I see Randall as a mid-round player - he simply has too many deficiencies to be a 1st rounder. He does have the one thing that TT and Capers value though - good hands and decent ball skills.

So if he gives up a TD and 2 FG's per game b/c of missed tackles and bad angles, not to mention all of the extra run yardage he allows - do the 5 picks he has per year balance that??

[wist43]

I prefer turnovers to punts or tackles, but what do I know?

Well, you've certainly been getting what you want, that's for sure - at least in terms of poor tackling and not being able to get off the field.

We annually have one of the worst run defenses in the league, and we're known for being a soft, poor tackling team.

[Pugger]

We would have had to trade up for McKinney in the second.

[wist43]

We would have had to trade up for McKinney in the second.

I would have taken any of those guys over Randall in the 1st... they all went shortly after our pick. Anthony went with the next pick; McKinney went 13 picks later; and Rowe went 17 picks later.

TT said they had fielded some calls about moving down, but never seriously considered it b/c they were locked in on Randall - a guy that a lot of people had moving up boards, but others still had as a mid-round pick.

Given the Packers abysmal track record of evaluating defensive talent - and miscasting players with the scheme... Randall looks like another projection-miss. Maybe not from the Packer perspective - which is one that discounts tackling and physicality; but if the guy can't play outside either - which I seriously doubt, then what was the point of taking him in the 1st round??

[MadScientist]

I would have taken any of those guys over Randall in the 1st... they all went shortly after our pick. Anthony went with the next pick; McKinney went 13 picks later; and Rowe went 17 picks later.

TT said they had fielded some calls about moving down, but never seriously considered it b/c they were locked in on Randall - a guy that a lot of people had moving up boards, but others still had as a mid-round pick.

Given the Packers abysmal track record of evaluating defensive talent - and miscasting players with the scheme... Randall looks like another projection-miss. Maybe not from the Packer perspective - which is one that discounts tackling and physicality; but if the guy can't play outside either - which I seriously doubt, then what was the point of taking him in the 1st round??

If he can't play outside, then yes the pick was a waste. I haven't watched the tape, so I don't know how bad his tackling really is, but there are a lot of corners out there who are not known for tackling prowess. If he can cover well enough that QB's throw elsewhere and make plays on the ball when it is thrown his way. The NFL seems to be discouraging tackling receivers these days, so do what is needed to stop him from getting the ball.

[Pugger]

I would have taken any of those guys over Randall in the 1st... they all went shortly after our pick. Anthony went with the next pick; McKinney went 13 picks later; and Rowe went 17 picks later.

TT said they had fielded some calls about moving down, but never seriously considered it b/c they were locked in on Randall - a guy that a lot of people had moving up boards, but others still had as a mid-round pick.

Given the Packers abysmal track record of evaluating defensive talent - and miscasting players with the scheme... Randall looks like another projection-miss. Maybe not from the Packer perspective - which is one that discounts tackling and physicality; but if the guy can't play outside either - which I seriously doubt, then what was the point of taking him in the 1st round??

IMO McKinney in the first would have been a much bigger reach than Randall ever was. I wanted Anthony in that spot.