2015 Packers Training Camp and Triage Center

[wist43]

I think you mean 'replace' differently than I did. The team effectively 'replaced' them in that they made the defense work, but Daniels isn't the same kind of player as either Jolly or Pickett, and Guion and Boyd were just OK. But yeah, they were probably as good as Pickett and Jolly in their last year in GB, but that's not saying a lot.

We don't have anyone that can 2-Gap anymore. I don't even think Pennel can 2-Gap. Raji certainly can't, and never could; so, of course their roles have to be different.

If you put Daniels in there and expect him to hold up against a double team?? Forget it, of course he'll get run over... which is one of the reasons you don't want to run a 2-4 with the personnel we have.

If you have 3 down linemen inside the tackles - everyone can look to penetrate and control their single gap, and defending the run becomes a much more doable proposition while in the nickel.

[pbmax]

I think you mean 'replace' differently than I did. The team effectively 'replaced' them in that they made the defense work, but Daniels isn't the same kind of player as either Jolly or Pickett, and Guion and Boyd were just OK. But yeah, they were probably as good as Pickett and Jolly in their last year in GB, but that's not saying a lot.

There are a lot of moving parts in this comparison. I meant replace, as in, were able to field a competitive defense with some resistance to the run (meaning, better than 2011 or 2013) on the defensive line.

While Raji of 2010 was not truly replaced, I think they had enough big bodies that the "base" 3-4 was fine Daniels-Guion-Boyd.

They do have more penetrators now than before, so short yardage can look a little different now with Peppers, Neal and Jones. However, if Raji is healthy and Pennel somehow makes the team, 3-4 or jumbo 4-4 won't be a problem either.

We'd have to look at the starting roster to be sure, but I think the elephant position, basically Neal, has allowed them to essentially add one fat guy. Neal counts as an OLB and nickel rusher. The last guy in is likely beefier.

[wist43]

I think you mean 'replace' differently than I did. The team effectively 'replaced' them in that they made the defense work, but Daniels isn't the same kind of player as either Jolly or Pickett, and Guion and Boyd were just OK. But yeah, they were probably as good as Pickett and Jolly in their last year in GB, but that's not saying a lot.

We don't have anyone that can 2-Gap anymore. I don't even think Pennel can 2-Gap. Raji certainly can't, and never could; so, of course their roles have to be different.

If you put Daniels in there and expect him to hold up against a double team?? Forget it, of course he'll get run over... which is one of the reasons you don't want to run a 2-4 with the personnel we have.

If you have 3 down linemen inside the tackles - everyone can look to penetrate and control their single gap, and defending the run becomes a much more doable proposition while in the nickel.

Of course I made this same argument when we did have guys that could 2-gap - always hated the Jumbo 2-4. Got away with that alignment some of the time, but eventually opponents realized it would always be static, and it became very predictable where every one would be; hence, much easier to block for the run, and b/c we have 2 non-pass rushers on the DL, we couldn't generate any pressure against the pass either.

The Jumbo 2-4 should have been scrapped long before MM had to step in and put a stop to the madness.

[pbmax]

Did M3 stop it or was Pickett not re-signed?

Scout.com leader in the clubhouse for the eighth O lineman spot.

So far, guard Lane Taylor has stated his case while taking a lot of Josh Sitton’s reps the past three practices. It’s only one element but it’s worth noting that Taylor is 7-0 in the daily one-on-one pass-blocking drills. He hasn’t faced a murderer’s row of defensive linemen, but the first of his three wins on Monday came against Mike Daniels — easily the defense’s best one-on-one rusher.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/packers/story/1569988-practice-4-player-position-rookie-of-day

[wist43]

Did M3 stop it or was Pickett not re-signed?

Scout.com leader in the clubhouse for the eighth O lineman spot.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/packers/sto...-rookie-of-day

The 2-4 was mind numbingly ineffective whether Pickett was in there or not - whether it was a Jumbo 2-4, or a straight-up pass rush 2-4, it was an ineffective lineup regardless.

So if dunderdummy soldiered thru multiple seasons of obvious ineffectiveness with the alignment, regardless of personnel, why would he stop simply b/c Pickett was gone?? The only time the alignment was effective was in the SB season when dunderdummy had Jenkins, Bishop, Collins, and Woodson roaming all over the place to make it work.

After Jenkins left, that alignment should have been a goner, but of course dunderdummy rode it to infamy and an NFL record for pass defense futility, and the 3rd worst overall defensive performance in league history.

If those realities were not enough to rattle dunderdummy into doing something else, why would the single loss of an aging NT/DT who at the end of the line dissuade him from running it?? MM said he was going to get more involved in the defense, and from the outset of the 2014 season, the 2-4 was rarely seen; and when dunderdummy did run it?? it was every bit as ineffective as it had been before.

[Guiness]

Early thoughts on TC:

Blanchard is the 2nd best QB on the squad.

Ty Montgomery is the #4 wide receiver. Early favorite for TT's steal of the year in draft.

Palmer is ahead of Bradford and Ryan at ILB.

Bad news: Sitton's toe not 100%. Good news: He's a guy who can play well without practicing much.

Packers depth at WR as good as it's ever been.

With Mulumba back, depth at OLB very impressive, even without Matthews.

LaDarius Gunter pretty good. Hey Wist! A physical corner!

Would be interesting if that was the case, I think he was penciled in at the #5WR/ST specialist. That would make two of last year's picks somewhat of a waste.

[Joemailman]

Would be interesting if that was the case, I think he was penciled in at the #5WR/ST specialist. That would make two of last year's picks somewhat of a waste.

Well, I have my doubts that Abby can stay healthy enough to make the team. I don't think it's surprising that Montgomery would be ahead of Janis. You're talking about a 3rd round pick out of Stanford vs. a 7th round pick out of Saginaw Valley State.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sounds like Gunter got burned deep several times today.

[pittstang5]

Has anyone heard or read anything about Davante Adams? I've read dozens of articles since TC started and haven't seen him mentioned once. Alot of praise is going to Montgomery - which is good, but how is Adams doing? He had a great 2nd half of the year and I was hoping he'd be even better this year. Maybe no news is good news?

[run pMc]

Has anyone heard or read anything about Davante Adams? I've read dozens of articles since TC started and haven't seen him mentioned once. Alot of praise is going to Montgomery - which is good, but how is Adams doing? He had a great 2nd half of the year and I was hoping he'd be even better this year. Maybe no news is good news?

He was being labelled as the All star of OTA's or something, but since then I've heard/read nothing beyond a couple of generic "Jordy, Cobb and Adams"-style WR articles. You'd think there would be some mention of him. Right now Montgomery is the new guy so he's getting all the attention...I haven't heard too much about Cobb or Nelson either.

[Patler]

This is the fun part of camp - watching to see which rookies make plays, and which second or even third year guys make the jump.

Mulumba, Jayrone Elliot, and Gunter get lots of mentions so far on defense. Adrian Hubbard - crickets. Dmitri Goodson - destined to be the next Jarrett Bush (as in ST ace and nominal position player).

Datone Jones - more crickets.

Datone Jones has gotten his mention! But, you have to read the FG kicking part to see it. One of Crosby's misses on Monday was a blocked attempt by Jones. I know, not exactly the primary area we want to see him excel in, but maybe its a start!.

[mraynrand]

Datone Jones has gotten his mention! But, you have to read the FG kicking part to see it. One of Crosby's misses on Monday was a blocked attempt by Jones. I know, not exactly the primary area we want to see him excel in, but maybe its a start!.

I'd be happy with improved bong storage technique.

Keep on driving up to Green Bay. Don't take that exit.

[pbmax]

Sounds like Gunter got burned deep several times today.

I read once by White from Tolzien. Were there others?

[pbmax]

Has anyone heard or read anything about Davante Adams? I've read dozens of articles since TC started and haven't seen him mentioned once. Alot of praise is going to Montgomery - which is good, but how is Adams doing? He had a great 2nd half of the year and I was hoping he'd be even better this year. Maybe no news is good news?

Weston Hodkiewicz @WesHod 26m26 minutes ago
Good one on one battle between Adams and Shields. Sideline dart from Rodgers on the spot for completion

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 28m28 minutes ago
Adams with a phenomenal snare of Rodgers pass to sideline against Shields.

[mraynrand]

Weston Hodkiewicz @WesHod 26m26 minutes ago
Good one on one battle between Adams and Shields. Sideline dart from Rodgers on the spot for completion

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 28m28 minutes ago
Adams with a phenomenal snare of Rodgers pass to sideline against Shields.

Rodgers will tend to make WRs look better and CBs look worse. Except for a gem like Randall (but can he tackle?).