Official 2015 Preseason Games Thread

[Harlan Huckleby]

For the record I've been wrong a few times; no Odell Thurman never made the hall of fame.

But HH you are a jogoff. Scott Tolzien is also a jagoff. He's about the only Badger QB I didn't like and he choked in a huge bowl game vs TCU....Badger choker.....lol

And Bretsky liked Hundley !!

I remember you blamed Abberderis for not being "athletic enough" to make this play. Racist! Probably explains your preference at QB too.

[smuggler]

He was plenty athletic enough. He got high enough, he just did so a half second early.

[Patler]

Now splain to me why Hundley isn't our #2 QB.

Level of competition faced?

Plus experience starting and playing reg season. Knowledge of entire offense.

Hundley did well last week with and against starters. Tolzien has played in 3 regular season games, with 2 starts. His experience might count for something, but not all that much. I don't doubt that Tolzien has a better understanding of the offense after two seasons than Hundley does after 4 months, but Hundley sure seems to be getting up to speed quickly. He looks better than Rodgers did as a rookie, and they entrusted Rodgers with the #2 spot.

I think they will keep both, but I don't have much less confidence in Hundley than in Tolzien. I think in a year or two, we will be wishing Hundley had come around about four years from now instead of this year.

I wonder what they can get for Rodgers in a trade four years from now?

[pbmax]

Hundley did well last week with and against starters. Tolzien has played in 3 regular season games, with 2 starts. His experience might count for something, but not all that much. I don't doubt that Tolzien has a better understanding of the offense after two seasons than Hundley does after 4 months, but Hundley sure seems to be getting up to speed quickly. He looks better than Rodgers did as a rookie, and they entrusted Rodgers with the #2 spot.

I think they will keep both, but I don't have much less confidence in Hundley than in Tolzien. I think in a year or two, we will be wishing Hundley had come around about four years from now instead of this year.

I wonder what they can get for Rodgers in a trade four years from now?

I disagree with nothing here. If I was Tolzien, I would have a plan about where you might want to go and discuss it with Ted in case Hundley delivers in 2016/17.

[Patler]

I disagree with nothing here. If I was Tolzien, I would have a plan about where you might want to go and discuss it with Ted in case Hundley delivers in 2016/17.

So, do the Packers trade Tolzien this year, or just let him walk at the end of the season? It would have to be a very peculiar circumstance for Tolzien to sign another contract with GB. I doubt he will get that big of a FA contract to bring much of a compensatory pick; unless, God-forbid, Rodgers is out and Tolzien puts together a decent slug of stats this year.

Depending on MM's comfort level with Hundley, TT might be hitting the phones to see what Tolzien is worth.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If we need to win this season with someone at QB other than #12, I'd say our best chance is with Hundley, from what I've seen of him. The reason is his strength and mobility in the pocket, his running ability and his ability to extend plays. If Tolzien starts, you get a typical, backup QB game manager. Defenses can easily game plan against him. Basically, pressure the hell out of him, and force him to make mistakes. You saw it last night with the attempted pass/almost a fumble play.

With Hundley you get Rodgers-lite (very lite but lite nevertheless). His legs are a real weapon despite his lack of experience. If he tucks and runs, his legs can mitigate mistakes and inexperience. His strength and ability to extend plays add a measure of unpredictability that defenses can't game plan for.

[Fritz]

So, do the Packers trade Tolzien this year, or just let him walk at the end of the season? It would have to be a very peculiar circumstance for Tolzien to sign another contract with GB. I doubt he will get that big of a FA contract to bring much of a compensatory pick; unless, God-forbid, Rodgers is out and Tolzien puts together a decent slug of stats this year.

Depending on MM's comfort level with Hundley, TT might be hitting the phones to see what Tolzien is worth.

Except that MM and other coaches suggested that Hundley is just scratching the surface of the play book. In a real game situation his lack of knowledge of the offense would really mess them up if the guy had to start a couple of games. He'd be easy to game plan for. I'm pretty sure Tolzien is number two, and Hundley three. I don't think the team is too worried about losing Tolzien after the year and getting little. And what's he worth now, anyway? A fifth or sixth round pick? He's worth more than that to this team this year.

[pbmax]

Except that MM and other coaches suggested that Hundley is just scratching the surface of the play book. In a real game situation his lack of knowledge of the offense would really mess them up if the guy had to start a couple of games. He'd be easy to game plan for. I'm pretty sure Tolzien is number two, and Hundley three. I don't think the team is too worried about losing Tolzien after the year and getting little. And what's he worth now, anyway? A fifth or sixth round pick? He's worth more than that to this team this year.

Yep. Tolzien has had three seasons with the team and 2 offseasons.

In an otherwise close call, the McCarthy will want the veteran. Doesn't mean he wins, but Ted would have to get good value. I can see him being tempted and would not be surprised if he is making calls and getting Blanchard on PS.

[Smidgeon]

Hundley did well last week with and against starters. Tolzien has played in 3 regular season games, with 2 starts. His experience might count for something, but not all that much. I don't doubt that Tolzien has a better understanding of the offense after two seasons than Hundley does after 4 months, but Hundley sure seems to be getting up to speed quickly. He looks better than Rodgers did as a rookie, and they entrusted Rodgers with the #2 spot.

I think they will keep both, but I don't have much less confidence in Hundley than in Tolzien. I think in a year or two, we will be wishing Hundley had come around about four years from now instead of this year.

I wonder what they can get for Rodgers in a trade four years from now?

I'm already thinking this. Hundley isn't going to be Rodgers good, but if he ends up being a ten year serviceable starter, we'll wish he showed up late enough in Rodgers' career to take over. This early, serviceable backup, then hopefully a trade, a la Hasselback.

[pbmax]

Best part of Hundley's game as a rookie is his pocket feel. For a kid that ran quite a bit of shotgun and some spread in college, he looks perfectly at home staying in the pocket and finding space to throw. He wasn't perfect, but he reset in a new spot more than once and was able to throw well.

[sharpe1027]

I think Tolzien sticks because he is the guy they would want to step in if Rodgers gets hurt during the game (without a full week to prep). Maybe they would go with Hundley the following week, when they can install an appropriate game plan and give him some extra prep time.

[Bossman641]

I'd be shocked if Tolzien isn't #2. He's a gym rat and knows the offense in and out. He's certainly no Rodgers, but with him you'd at least be able to run the majority of the playbook. With Hundley I think the offense would be scaled back quite a bit.

[Fritz]

I like Hundley's game. I think he'll be good - we keep saying "we know he won't be as god as Rodgers, but..." - but who's to say he won't be next in line of the Starr-Favre-Rodgers succession?

But I do think he needs a couple years of old-fashioned watching and learning.

[Smidgeon]

I like Hundley's game. I think he'll be good - we keep saying "we know he won't be as god as Rodgers, but..." - but who's to say he won't be next in line of the Starr-Favre-Rodgers succession?

But I do think he needs a couple years of old-fashioned watching and learning.

I'm trying not to be too greedy. But say he is the next in progression. Even if he will one day be that good, unless Rodgers falls off a cliff or retires early, Hundley will have prove it somewhere else. That's why I wish he showed up four years later.

[smuggler]

Trade him in 2 years to an AFC squad for their first or second round pick. Until that time, he is insurance for the unthinkable.