Cutler

[sharpe1027]

If I had to compare Favre and Cutler, it would be their reaction to poor protection. Favre would be all like "Screw this, I'm gonna make a play!!" and maybe run around like a chicken, throw some great throws and TDs and maybe have a rash of INTs, but Cutler would be "Screw them, I'm gonna just chuck it up there anyway" and throw mostly picks, then walk off the field 'injured' because 'what's the point.' Just a difference in attitude and response to adversity, I think.

Assuming that I am allowed to speculate based upon unsubstantiated conclusions, Cutler seems like a guy that is gotten to the point that he is collecting a paycheck. He's playing because it earns him a lot of money. Favre never reached that point. He truly wanted to be out there right up until the end. Well, maybe a bit of fatigue it crept in there late for Favre, but I think that overall he still liked playing.

[mraynrand]

Assuming that I am allowed to speculate based upon unsubstantiated conclusions, Cutler seems like a guy that is gotten to the point that he is collecting a paycheck. He's playing because it earns him a lot of money. Favre never reached that point. He truly wanted to be out there right up until the end. Well, maybe a bit of fatigue it crept in there late for Favre, but I think that overall he still liked playing.

Favre was also using the Kahn motivation playing at the end of his career. "Revenge is a dish best served cold...It is very cold in Lambeau Field"

But yeah, Favre just loved to play, if I may draw a conclusion on an obvious observation.

[Patler]

Cutler may have some flaws, maybe even fatal flaws, but he is every bit the franchise QB phenotype. The Dude really has it all, and Chicago was totally hurting without him in there. He looked pretty good against the Packers, and it took a good risk by Matthews to derail him.

Did any of you see that game against KC? Cutler was amazing in that game - avoiding the rush and dropping passes in the bucket in the second half. He won that game, straight up plain and simple.

I think there's something screwy there, a funny head-case thing, but for 80-95% of the time, Cutler is franchise QB, pro bowl material.

Fritz - yeah, there's a lot similar with Stafford, except that Cutler is a cut above Stafford in all the elements, except the head case thing. Stafford has a breakdown in mechanics that kills him, but I don't where that comes from.

I agree that Cutler has the physical ability to be a franchise-type QB, but the problem is that he does not perform that way anywhere near the 80-95% of the time that you suggest that he does. If he did, his teams would be a heck of a lot more successful than they have been. Any regular NFL starter can play well in parts of most games, even for the entirety of a number of games each year. But very few can regularly carry their teams to wins week after week, including games in which they really haven't played well enough to win. Coming through once in a while doesn't make a franchise QB.

[MadScientist]

Cutler has way above average talent, but only marginally above average results. In the article he got dinged for throwing without his feet set (a la Favre and Rodgers), taking too many sacks (like Rodgers) and throwing too many risky / pick-able balls (like Favre). The footwork isn't a true problem unless it leads to the bad throws. The killer is taking sacks and throwing picks. That's a double whammy that hurts his teams too often.

Impossible to say if solid coaching early on would have made a difference. By now it's much less likely that he will change into something good (except for Packers fans).

For all the problems Cutler has, he's a hell of a lot better than Leinhart, who was the guy Shanny really wanted. Imagine spending those extra picks on two trades up to get him.

[mraynrand]

I agree that Cutler has the physical ability to be a franchise-type QB, but the problem is that he does not perform that way anywhere near the 80-95% of the time that you suggest that he does. If he did, his teams would be a heck of a lot more successful than they have been. Any regular NFL starter can play well in parts of most games, even for the entirety of a number of games each year. But very few can regularly carry their teams to wins week after week, including games in which they really haven't played well enough to win. Coming through once in a while doesn't make a franchise QB.

I respectfully disagree, but only to a degree.

[Pugger]

Does Cutler have the heart of a champion? I don't think so. He certainly has the physical talent and a canon for an arm but his demeanor is wanting when you watch him play. It doesn't take a lot of adversity for him to say 'screw it' and just go thru the motions. I can't imagine Rodgers or Brady behaving like that.

[Guiness]

Saw an interesting statement in an article at ESPN

The Chicago Bears are 2-3, and halfback Matt Forte is the only remaining draft choice signed to a second contract.

Ouch.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Does Cutler have the heart of a champion? I don't think so. He certainly has the physical talent and a canon for an arm but his demeanor is wanting when you watch him play. It doesn't take a lot of adversity for him to say 'screw it' and just go thru the motions. I can't imagine Rodgers or Brady behaving like that.

You are repeating a 100% myth. Cutler has exceptional heart and toughness. His "demeanor" is just how he looks, nothing more. The Bears players have argued against this untrue impression from know-nothing fans and the media since Cutler has been in Chicago.

Cutler does not "go through the motions", that is baloney. There was an incident three years ago where Cutler came out of game with knee injury that was unfairly observed and reported, and that bad shake stuck to an extent.

Cutler has many talents and positive qualities. I'd say his shortcoming is in reading defenses and situations. He sometimes gets excited and makes a bad decision. He's not terrible in that regard, but his unreliable poise keeps him from being more than an above average QB.

[Smidgeon]

You are repeating a 100% myth. Cutler has exceptional heart and toughness. His "demeanor" is just how he looks, nothing more. The Bears players have argued against this untrue impression from know-nothing fans and the media since Cutler has been in Chicago.

Cutler does not "go through the motions", that is baloney. There was an incident three years ago where Cutler came out of game with knee injury that was unfairly observed and reported, and that bad shake stuck to an extent.

Cutler has many talents and positive qualities. I'd say his shortcoming is in reading defenses and situations. He sometimes gets excited and makes a bad decision. He's not terrible in that regard, but his unreliable poise keeps him from being more than an above average QB.

Let's also not forget, he truly is one of those people who doesn't care how people outside the organization see him. So he doesn't build an image...

[Patler]

On the other hand, ESPN reported this last Spring:

At least 10 former Chicago Bears staffers from the Lovie Smith and Marc Trestman regimes said recently they believe the team can't consistently compete for championships as long as it fields a lineup with Jay Cutler under center.

.......

Two teammates, who also asked to remain anonymous for this story, characterized Cutler as a divisive figure with whom they'd rather not continue to play.

[Patler]

With Cutler, it is more than his nonchalant appearance. Recall when he was in Denver, and they blew a three game lead in the last four games of the year (or whatever it was), he threw an interception returned for a long TD sealing the loss near the end of the Last game (I think). He turned and walked casually toward the sidelines as the DB ran between him and the sidelines, just a short distance from him. Cutler gave no effort to stop the TD in a very close game which could have guaranteed a playoff spot. Denver fans went ballistic after that game. I was in Denver just a few weeks later, and they were still talking about his lack of effort.

Dancing at a club (reportedly) the night of the loss to the Packers in the playoff game he was too hurt to play in doesn't scream of competitiveness either, regardless of what medical excuses there were. It's a wrong image to present to his team mates, and speaks to his leadership qualities.

There are many myths surrounding Cutler, and I think a burning desire to win might be one of them.

[mraynrand]

You are repeating a 100% myth. Cutler has exceptional heart and toughness. His "demeanor" is just how he looks, nothing more. The Bears players have argued against this untrue impression from know-nothing fans and the media since Cutler has been in Chicago.

Cutler does not "go through the motions", that is baloney. There was an incident three years ago where Cutler came out of game with knee injury that was unfairly observed and reported, and that bad shake stuck to an extent.

Cutler has many talents and positive qualities. I'd say his shortcoming is in reading defenses and situations. He sometimes gets excited and makes a bad decision. He's not terrible in that regard, but his unreliable poise keeps him from being more than an above average QB.

I think this is pretty accurate. There's something else there, though, a body-language/demeanor that makes him look like he doesn't give a shit. And an attitudinal difference I suggested previously.

Plus, he's played on some bad teams; I'm sure some of that's his fault.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brett Favre didn't care about winning because he drank, was addicted to drugs, and chased tail late into the night. Also, two teammates told a reporter anonymously that he's a cancer. Ignore all the statements of support, listen to the smears.

There are many myths surrounding Favre, and I think a burning desire to win might be one of them.

[Patler]

Brett Favre didn't care about winning because he drank, was addicted to drugs, and chased tail late into the night. Also, two teammates told a reporter anonymously that he's a cancer. Ignore all the statements of support, listen to the smears.

There are many myths surrounding Favre, and I think a burning desire to win might be one of them.

Favre's play on the field spoke differently. Cutler's often has not.

[Patler]

Also, two teammates told a reporter anonymously that he's a cancer. Ignore all the statements of support, listen to the smears.

Do you have support for your statement about Favre's team mates?
I merely provided a quote from an ESPN article as substance for a discussions.
It appears that your are simply making up things for some reason.

I suppose in your world 10 staff members of Favres former coaches also questioned the Packers ability to win with Favre, too, huh?