"Packer People"....or not.

[Patler]

More detail on Letroy Guion's recent (and earlier) run-ins with the legal system:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...336695811.html

[Joemailman]

Not. And unfortunately, you don't get the sense there's anybody in his family that is going to steer him in the right direction. His father is worse. Packers can try, but it's hard to have influence on guys like this once the offseason begins. With the emergence of Mike Pennel, wouldn't be surprised if the Packers let him walk away after this year.

Interesting that it took the new reporter on the Packers beat, Michael Cohen, to dig into Guion's past.

[Freak Out]

LOL. At least he has the good stuff.

[wist43]

Pot shouldn't be illegal; the government has no legitimate power to seize his money, truck, or gun; and who cares about his past? I thought this was supposed to be the land of opportunity - and forgiveness, 2nd chances and all that altruistic bullshit??

[Joemailman]

Pot shouldn't be illegal; the government has no legitimate power to seize his money, truck, or gun; and who cares about his past? I thought this was supposed to be the land of opportunity - and forgiveness, 2nd chances and all that altruistic bullshit??

That may all be true, but the reality is that he has a history of off the field activity that will get him suspended. Unless you're self-employed, you sometimes have to adhere to rules that you may not agree with. The Packers will have to decide whether keeping him is worth the possibility of him getting suspended in the future. So far they've decided it is.

[Pugger]

Can the league punish a player for something he did years ago while on another team?

[Patler]

Pot shouldn't be illegal; the government has no legitimate power to seize his money, truck, or gun; and who cares about his past? I thought this was supposed to be the land of opportunity - and forgiveness, 2nd chances and all that altruistic bullshit??

Unfortunately for Guion, we aren't permitted to disregard the laws we don't agree with. Forgiveness follows from penance and repentance, it doesn't attach to unrepentant repeat offenders. A just criminal justice system should care about a criminal's past from both exculpatory and inculpatory perspectives.

I find the "facts" as presented by both sides in these situations to be very interesting. The article summarizes the officers justification for the stop this way

Late on Feb. 3, Officer Ashley Cisco of the Starke Police Department neared the end of an all-day shift and planned to stop at the Kangaroo Express convenience store before driving home.

As he traveled down Old Lawtey Road, which cuts through the town of fewer than 6,000 residents, Cisco saw a black truck slowly cross the double yellow line, then cross it again. He smelled marijuana, according to the arrest report, and saw smoke wafting from the vehicle.

The officers deposition is linked in the article:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...o-2-11-15.html

The officer was driving and came up behind Guion's truck. He said he saw it swerve, and he smelled marijuana. So, the officer was in his vehicle, some distance behind Guion as both traveled down the street at about the speed limit, "maybe a little less" (officer's words) and the officer could smell marijuana? He repeated several times about smelling the strong odor of marijuana while he was driving behind Guion. Now, I recognize that marijuana has a strong, distinctive odor, but smelling it in a trailing vehicle while driving even at 25 miles an hour seems a bit unbelievable to me. Guion must have been puffing up a storm, even with the cop following him, for the smell to carry back while the vehicles were moving.

The officer admitted they found no paraphernalia in the truck, and no other collectible evidence of anyone smoking. He saw Guion throw nothing out of the vehicle as he followed it. So, the officer saw smoke wafting out of the vehicle, enough so that the smell was strong and detectable in the officer's vehicle as they drove down the road, yet the inside of Guion's truck had no collectible evidence of anyone smoking in it? Is this believable?

Guion claims to have been swerving to avoid potholes, that the nearly one pound of marijuana was his summer stash, and that the $190K of cash was from cashing his Packers check.

Guion's salary was $42,941/week. He had a roster bonus of 100K. If the bonus was a weekly roster bonus, it would be $5882/week for a total pay of $48,823/week. The cash in his truck was 4 weeks pay. Possible, I guess, but hoarding nearly 1/4 of your gross income as cash in your truck seems a bit odd, but certainly possible. However, the government confiscating it just because it is not normal seems wrong. Same for the truck and th unloaded gun found in a latched case underneath a seat. For the government to confiscate a quarter million dollars from a guy with less than a pound of weed doesn't sound right.

Many interesting factors in Guion's case.

[pbmax]

These two sentences:

A Starke police sergeant said in a deposition that informants told authorities Guion was involved in the drug trade and bankrolled dealers, some of whom were his relatives. The drugs sold included marijuana, cocaine and crack cocaine, according to Sgt. Jason Crosby's deposition in a forfeiture case involving Guion's truck and $190,000.

Should be treated with great suspicion. Informant testimony is almost always problematic. And if anyone in the upper echelon's of Starke's Police Department or AG/city attorney's office thought that it was true and provable, he never would have received the plea deal he did.

It sounds much more like the after the fact justification of the seizure of his property, originally including the cash and truck. Guion is now fighting in court to get them back as I recall. And this reads like an attempt to smear him in advance of that proceeding.

I'm with wist. These seizure's in general are ridiculous.

For the OP, his teammates seem to think he is Packer people. I'm am not impressed with his father, but I am more concerned about the violence and stalking charges.

[HowardRoark]

Hoarding cash was something my grandma did too; and she smelled odd sometimes. She'd be thrown in jail all the time nowadays.

[Fritz]

These two sentences:



Should be treated with great suspicion. Informant testimony is almost always problematic. And if anyone in the upper echelon's of Starke's Police Department or AG/city attorney's office thought that it was true and provable, he never would have received the plea deal he did.

It sounds much more like the after the fact justification of the seizure of his property, originally including the cash and truck. Guion is now fighting in court to get them back as I recall. And this reads like an attempt to smear him in advance of that proceeding.

I'm with wist. These seizure's in general are ridiculous.

For the OP, his teammates seem to think he is Packer people. I'm am not impressed with his father, but I am more concerned about the violence and stalking charges.

Why not? And why did a previous poster suggest Guion will get no guidance from his family?

His father has clearly given him guidance - Leroy knows what the good marijuana is, and how to procure it. The fact that Leroy is bringing his father marijuana shows he's not just another selfish athlete, caring only about himself. He's sharing the riches he enjoys as an NFL player with his father.

And he's not just throwing him some cash, or some gift card. That shit is so thoughtless. Clearly, Leroy knows what his father likes, and has presented him, when he comes home, with a high-quality, thoughtful gift.

Additonally, Leroy's dad was there, at the station, to help Leroy out after his arrest. Think of how many parents wouldn't even bother with that. The man wants to help his son.

He is also honest. Although he knows marijuana, used for non-medical purposes, is illegal, he forthrightly spoke to the police officer about his son's marijuana quality. He didn't try to lie at all.

It sounds to me like these two have a strong father-son relationship.

I don't know what is the matter with you people.

[red]

i think the term "packer people" has changed over the years

it now seems to mean, a player who is good enough and cheap enough, the character issue seems to have gone out the window

last off season we had two high profile run ins with the law, guion, and quarless and his little episode in a parking garage. both would have been gone the second news hit the masses if the old "packer people" thing was still in place

in short, i think we need to forget about what we think of when we here the term "packer people"

[Fritz]

Yet one complaint that used to thread through discussions of the Packers was that the Packers weren't mean enough, that Ted didn't take any character chances - to the detriment of the team - and that as long as a guy could play, who cared what he was lik?

But now it's an issue for some people? Hmmm.

It's the bye week. So they dug up some stuff.

I'm going to get high now and steal some stuff from a ten year old.

[Patler]

Can the league punish a player for something he did years ago while on another team?

I doubt that a player's current team affiliation affects it at all. As for timing, I would imagine it depends on when the league became aware, or should have been aware. In Guion's case, the civil suit from the domestic violence was reported at least as early as last spring/summer; before his suspension was announced. The domestic violence charges against Guion were resolved years ago. Without new charges, it seems unlikely another suspension would come from those incidents.

[Joemailman]

i think the term "packer people" has changed over the years

it now seems to mean, a player who is good enough and cheap enough, the character issue seems to have gone out the window

last off season we had two high profile run ins with the law, guion, and quarless and his little episode in a parking garage. both would have been gone the second news hit the masses if the old "packer people" thing was still in place

in short, i think we need to forget about what we think of when we here the term "packer people"

I'm not sure what the term "packer people" referred to begin with. Did it mean players who never get in trouble, or did it mean team-oriented players? If it's the latter, I think the term still applies to the Packers more than a lot of other teams. The Packers have shown a willingness to give character risks a chance with late round draft picks and to a lesser extent free agent pickups. In the early (1-3) rounds of the draft though, the Packers definitely go with guys with solid reputations.

[pbmax]

Why not? And why did a previous poster suggest Guion will get no guidance from his family?

His father has clearly given him guidance - Leroy knows what the good marijuana is, and how to procure it. The fact that Leroy is bringing his father marijuana shows he's not just another selfish athlete, caring only about himself. He's sharing the riches he enjoys as an NFL player with his father.

And he's not just throwing him some cash, or some gift card. That shit is so thoughtless. Clearly, Leroy knows what his father likes, and has presented him, when he comes home, with a high-quality, thoughtful gift.

Additonally, Leroy's dad was there, at the station, to help Leroy out after his arrest. Think of how many parents wouldn't even bother with that. The man wants to help his son.

He is also honest. Although he knows marijuana, used for non-medical purposes, is illegal, he forthrightly spoke to the police officer about his son's marijuana quality. He didn't try to lie at all.

It sounds to me like these two have a strong father-son relationship.

I don't know what is the matter with you people.

All fair points.

But I was referring more to the mentions of the father's own arrests for dealing. Now in Florida, its seems that certain levels of possession and delivery overlap in a single felony, so to be fair I should have pointed out that its not clear at all that Cohen or the authorities know his Dad to be a dealer based on the info in the article.

So I should have put a big caveat in there anyway.