"Packer People"....or not.

[Patler]

Some teams are more willing to take on players with volatile personalities, questionable backgrounds, character risks. Some are less willing, but no team avoids them completely. The packers seem to extend their risk to misdirected "nice guys", passionate football players who are good in the locker room, even if troubled a bit outside of it. I think they navigate it well, in view of the small community in which they operate. There's not a lot of flamboyance on the Packers, because flamboyant players would neither fit in, nor be very content in GB.

But "holier than thou" is not now and never has been a significant component in defining "Packer people."

[pbmax]

I'm not sure what the term "packer people" referred to begin with. Did it mean players who never get in trouble, or did it mean team-oriented players? If it's the latter, I think the term still applies to the Packers more than a lot of other teams. The Packers have shown a willingness to give character risks a chance with late round draft picks and to a lesser extent free agent pickups. In the early (1-3) rounds of the draft though, the Packers definitely go with guys with solid reputations.

Didn't M3 start Packer People?

[KYPack]

A friend indeed is a friend with good weed.

[Joemailman]

Didn't M3 start Packer People?

Okay, you made me Google it. Interesting article from 2012. Back then it was already being questioned as to how to define it.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...166206426.html

Packer people.

It's a catchy and clever little phrase Mike McCarthy introduced on Jan. 12, 2006 - the day he was hired as Green Bay's 14th head coach.

"You have to create that stable structure . . . look for the right type of Packer people," McCarthy told the media that day. "Chemistry and character needs to be concentrated on at all times."

"The whole Packer people thing - it's something that really doesn't need to be laid out to you, stressed to you," tight end Tom Crabtree said. "It's kind of something that's constantly around you and you're always reminded of.

"As far as players go, it's guys that are going to show up for work each day, kind of do what's asked of them, team guys, team-first guys.

"And maybe even guys outside of football that embrace the community, embrace the fans. It's kind of understood that each guy has a role and to kind of embrace that role."

[bobblehead]

Unfortunately for Guion, we aren't permitted to disregard the laws we don't agree with. Forgiveness follows from penance and repentance, it doesn't attach to unrepentant repeat offenders. A just criminal justice system should care about a criminal's past from both exculpatory and inculpatory perspectives.

I find the "facts" as presented by both sides in these situations to be very interesting. The article summarizes the officers justification for the stop this way



The officers deposition is linked in the article:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...o-2-11-15.html

The officer was driving and came up behind Guion's truck. He said he saw it swerve, and he smelled marijuana. So, the officer was in his vehicle, some distance behind Guion as both traveled down the street at about the speed limit, "maybe a little less" (officer's words) and the officer could smell marijuana? He repeated several times about smelling the strong odor of marijuana while he was driving behind Guion. Now, I recognize that marijuana has a strong, distinctive odor, but smelling it in a trailing vehicle while driving even at 25 miles an hour seems a bit unbelievable to me. Guion must have been puffing up a storm, even with the cop following him, for the smell to carry back while the vehicles were moving.

The officer admitted they found no paraphernalia in the truck, and no other collectible evidence of anyone smoking. He saw Guion throw nothing out of the vehicle as he followed it. So, the officer saw smoke wafting out of the vehicle, enough so that the smell was strong and detectable in the officer's vehicle as they drove down the road, yet the inside of Guion's truck had no collectible evidence of anyone smoking in it? Is this believable?

Guion claims to have been swerving to avoid potholes, that the nearly one pound of marijuana was his summer stash, and that the $190K of cash was from cashing his Packers check.

Guion's salary was $42,941/week. He had a roster bonus of 100K. If the bonus was a weekly roster bonus, it would be $5882/week for a total pay of $48,823/week. The cash in his truck was 4 weeks pay. Possible, I guess, but hoarding nearly 1/4 of your gross income as cash in your truck seems a bit odd, but certainly possible. However, the government confiscating it just because it is not normal seems wrong. Same for the truck and th unloaded gun found in a latched case underneath a seat. For the government to confiscate a quarter million dollars from a guy with less than a pound of weed doesn't sound right.

Many interesting factors in Guion's case.

Don't wish to start a political argument, but you should go visit my thread in FYI regarding civil asset forfeiture laws. This was an absolute slam dunk confiscation by the standards they are using every day in america...I know, nobody cares about civil liberties anymore. As long as I can get the new iPhone.

[red]

i always took "packer people" to mean, people who kept their noses clean and stayed out of trouble

maybe it really was just, people who buy into the system, put the team first and want to be here

[mraynrand]

I'm going to get high now and steal some stuff from a ten year old.

Your nephew is visiting?

[mraynrand]

"You have to create that stable structure . . . look for the right type of Packer people," McCarthy told the media that day. "Chemistry and character needs to be concentrated on at all times."

He's obviously talking about the meth lab.

[mraynrand]

So Stefon Diggs would not be 'Packer people' because of the Penn State fight, no?

[sharpe1027]

The Packers have never been free of players with legal/moral issues off the field. So either "Packer people" refers to fitting in with the football team (and not off-the-field legal problems), or it never meant anything to begin with.

[run pMc]

I think it was a PR move, and also a way to thumb noses at the Love Boat-era Vikings. Plus, with Green Bay being a "small market" (ugh) it makes sense for the to want players who will buy into the team and the community.

[Freak Out]

Greg Hardy....perfect fit for the Packers. Can you imagine what he would have done to Bostick after the NFCCG? Man...listening to JJ you would think he was the second coming of Roger Staubach.

[Patler]

Don't wish to start a political argument, but you should go visit my thread in FYI regarding civil asset forfeiture laws. This was an absolute slam dunk confiscation by the standards they are using every day in america...I know, nobody cares about civil liberties anymore. As long as I can get the new iPhone.

Ya, I know the confiscation was a slam dunk, and I'm familiar with your FYI thread. I posted in it a few times, actually agreeing with Wist, as I recall. As bad as this situation is, the confiscations of business accounts for "structuring" deposits are even worse.

I suspect Guion is pretty much out of luck in getting his cash back. One article quoted an attorney saying he might have a shot at getting the truck, if he can show that he bought it right after getting a signing bonus, or several packer checks. He said the right judge might agree it was not obtained with drug proceeds and let him have it back, especially since they took $190k as well for a relatively small amount of marijuana. But even that might be a long shot.

[Fritz]

Mossey Cade was Packer people.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Mossey Cade was Packer people.

He was family oriented, as I recall. Very fond of his aunt.