The Offense

[mraynrand]

This is the result of the all knowing TT sitting on his checkbook. I have always thought they were thin at WR BEFORE Jordy got hurt. Preach draft and develop all you want, in theory it's a great thing. But I think a truly great GM would not be afraid to use ALL the tools available to him. You can't be successful in anything if you are stubborn/close minded and think your way is the only way.

You're such a cock.

So, Thompson is supposed to guess that Nelson, Adams, and Cobb will all be injured and draft a rookie phenom and/or pick the perfect WR free agent. So who is this mythical FA that Thompson would bring in and 'write a check' for, anticipating three injured WRs? And why would that mythical FA come to Green Bay with three guys in front of him?

[smuggler]

Some pretty damning quotes...

"Denver has [top] corners, so what you can do against Green Bay is come in and play very tight coverage, which takes the quick game away because the Packers' skill doesn't scare you," this GM said. "Now, if their skill scared you, you might play some off coverage and Aaron can see that and hit quick slants and move the chains."

"Jordy was their vertical threat," this coach said. "You saw James Jones laboring on those curl routes. [Randall] Cobb is Cobb and [Davante] Adams is too green. Good defenses can cover them. Combine that with a pass-rush like you saw in Denver and that is a recipe for disaster."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story...ve-weapons-nfl

This has been my view all year.

[mmmdk]

Good calls everyone. Cover me with green'n'gold roses 'cos Stubby is back!

[pbmax]

You're such a cock.

So, Thompson is supposed to guess that Nelson, Adams, and Cobb will all be injured and draft a rookie phenom and/or pick the perfect WR free agent. So who is this mythical FA that Thompson would bring in and 'write a check' for, anticipating three injured WRs? And why would that mythical FA come to Green Bay with three guys in front of him?

Andre Johnson of course.

[Bossman641]

You're such a cock.

So, Thompson is supposed to guess that Nelson, Adams, and Cobb will all be injured and draft a rookie phenom and/or pick the perfect WR free agent. So who is this mythical FA that Thompson would bring in and 'write a check' for, anticipating three injured WRs? And why would that mythical FA come to Green Bay with three guys in front of him?

If I remember right, Rut was talking up Andre Johnson all offseason. Andre hasn't done much this year.

[sharpe1027]

Davante was a big disappointment. I wonder if Ty would have made a difference out there. He was proving to be a bit of a match up problem for DBs with his strength.

[sharpe1027]

I can't blame it on the lack of a TE. Except for a couple of Finley's years, they haven't had a significant TE threat at all under MM.

A lot of the short and middle plays from Denver were open because of scheme, not the ability of the players to get open. For whatever reason, the Packers can't get open at all based on scheme the last month.

Games like last night are Rodgers' Achilles' Heal. When he is under pressure, he simply refuses to throw to guys who are minimally open. When he is not under pressure, he will make those throws. The good thing is that even when the team is being dominated, they are not out of it on the scoreboard until deep, deep into the game, because Rodgers doesn't give the ball away. The bad part is that if the receivers can never get open sufficiently for Rodgers' comfort zone, you have what we saw last night, the passing game never sustains anything.

Through out the game, but especially early, Manning threw a number of passes to guys who looked fairly well covered. He hit some pretty small windows. Had he been a little less comfortable in the pocket, he might not have made those throws.

Yeah, TE is not a requirement, but they did have at least one of them out there most of the time so the TE play was certainly contributing. It seemed like they could stick anyone they wanted on R. Rodgers and not have to worry.

A. Rodgers had no pocket. Even when they did not hit him, it looked like complete chaos back there. It looked like our OL wore skates instead of cleats.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Davante was a big disappointment. I wonder if Ty would have made a difference out there. He was proving to be a bit of a match up problem for DBs with his strength.

You can't expect too much from a guy coming off long layoff. But I think by end of year, we'll be thinking Monty is more of a weapon. We'll see.

[Bossman641]

Yeah, TE is not a requirement, but they did have at least one of them out there most of the time so the TE play was certainly contributing. It seemed like they could stick anyone they wanted on R. Rodgers and not have to worry.

A. Rodgers had no pocket. Even when they did not hit him, it looked like complete chaos back there. It looked like our OL wore skates instead of cleats.

Same article I posted above stated Rodgers was pressured on 63% of pass plays, the highest rate any team has generated over the past 7 years.

That's why I think we need to get away from the no huddle. If the skill position players aren't good enough to straight up beat the guy ahead of the, which they aren't, then we need to mix personnel and run bunch formations/stuff like that to manufacture some separation.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, TE is not a requirement, but they did have at least one of them out there most of the time so the TE play was certainly contributing. It seemed like they could stick anyone they wanted on R. Rodgers and not have to worry.

A. Rodgers had no pocket. Even when they did not hit him, it looked like complete chaos back there. It looked like our OL wore skates instead of cleats.

O-line got beat, individually, all night. Everyone was getting man-handled. You can't run an offense with that going on.

[Freak Out]

The Denver D is really really good...add the home field and its hard for anyone to win there. PUT the current GB team in that situation and nobody should be surprised with the outcome. When I heard Monty was inactive I was bummed because the guy has been that spark plug that would have really helped.

[Rutnstrut]

If I remember right, Rut was talking up Andre Johnson all offseason. Andre hasn't done much this year.

Nope not me, I have never been a fan of his. I was and am on the James Jones bandwagon, perhaps that's what you were thinking of.

[Patler]

There have been a lot of fan complaints about the play of the O-line in pass pro. McGinn didn't find it all that bad.

"... the damage report for the group (one sack, two knockdowns, two hurries) was solid. Wade Phillips blitzed extensively (34.4% five or more, 15.6% with six), too. "

[Pugger]

There have been a lot of fan complaints about the play of the O-line in pass pro. McGinn didn't find it all that bad.

Last night on BSPN they were analyzing the game and they showed Aaron had time back there on several occasions but nobody was getting free. Even one time AR threw it to the middle of the field where nobody was just so he didn't take a sack or get hammered again. That game was a team wide melt down. The line had issues occassionally, AR threw some crappy passes, Lacy kept running into the pile and the WRs couldn't get open. Our pass rush disappeared, the middle of the defense was wide open and Manning went after our young or slow DBs. lLosing Sam's speed didn't help matters. Only ST looked competent - I never thought I'd ever say that! Was this just a bad day at the office or a sign of things to come? We'll find out on Sunday - but I will say Carolina's defense is not as formidable as Denver's and Cam doesn't have the WRs the Broncos have either. Ginn is only average but Olsen is good TE. Frankly this game can't come soon enough so we can put that disaster behind us. Let's hope they play like they are capable of this weekend.

[sharpe1027]

There have been a lot of fan complaints about the play of the O-line in pass pro. McGinn didn't find it all that bad.

Yes, but more importantly, did McGinn think that was Rodgers was being bullied?