More Banjo: Week7 @ Broncos

[Maxie the Taxi]

It almost seems like he is so averse to throw a pick he will not throw a ball to a WR unless he is wide open. He hasn't been the same QB since the Rams game.

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He's probably neurotic about throwing picks. Plus, Stubby probably emphasized no turnovers in this game. But red is right. There weren't guys open every play, but there were some tight windows he could have thrown to. On the other hand, he didn't have his usual accuracy. And he had gotten his bell rung in the first quarter.

Part of the problem is when the pocket broke down Cobb, Jones, etc. never broke back toward Arod. They always turned downfield. Lacy did the same thing when he was playing receiver. And Lacy ain't much of a receiver. They need a real 3rd-down-type pass receiver out of the backfield IMO and/or a mobile tight end.

[ThunderDan]

sure looks like it. he's looking for ways to get out of the pocket before he even finishes the drop. he's probably missing wide open guys cause he isn't looking at then, he's looking at the pass rushers

Of course a few times last night the DE beat ARod to the spot he was dropping to.

[ThunderDan]

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Part of the problem is when the pocket broke down Cobb, Jones, etc. never broke back toward Arod. They always turned downfield. Lacy did the same thing when he was playing receiver. And Lacy ain't much of a receiver. They need a real 3rd-down-type pass receiver out of the backfield IMO and/or a mobile tight end.

I think this is what I really took out of the game last night. It would be great to have a real 3rd down RB to take pressure off of the QB. Little quick hitters where we hope the RB is quick enough to make the first guy miss and go for 20 yards.

[red]

its like his first read isn't to a target, his first read is looking for a way to get out of the pocket, then he'll worry about where the receivers are

[Smidgeon]

FWIW, the Packers tried several times to get the short game going and the Broncos were blowing it up. Cobb had 3 short receptions early where he just got blown up right away for negative yardage. Adams had a pretty rough time out there too. He had a couple of bad drops and was having a tough time getting away from the Broncos CBs.

At one point, the Packers lined up Ripkowski out wide, Richard Rodgers inside and tried to get Adams the ball behind those guys. That died quickly.

It's actually too bad Rodgers couldn't get the ball to James Jones on the one deep play where Jones broke in and Rodgers threw out. That might have backed Denver up a little bit. The one place they are a little vulnerable, for whatever reason, is deep left. That was there a couple of times but I don't think Rodgers got to look that far very often.

Par for the course in his career.

[Rutnstrut]

It almost seems like he is so averse to throw a pick he will not throw a ball to a WR unless he is wide open. He hasn't been the same QB since the Rams game.

That is a dead on assessment. I think he is so worried about throwing picks, that he avoids anything other than a complete wide open receiver.

[Rutnstrut]

This is concerning to say the least. What in the hell is wrong with him? Is he so worried about his line he isn't looking downfield like he once did? I hope he saw this when they looked at the tape today.

That's kind of my take on it. He is so gunshy because of the line and lack of receivers he trusts.

[Freak Out]

Sometimes you have to just chuck it like the old gunslinger.

[Rutnstrut]

Sometimes you have to just chuck it like the old gunslinger.

Maybe not quite so many risks, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[denverYooper]

Maybe not quite so many risks, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

We've had a lot of discussion here about Rodgers's risk/reward calculations and how he might need to tilt those a bit in situations like last night. Once the Broncos kept scoring in the 3rd quarter, it became clear that he needed to push it some more.

But then, they punted down 3 scores with around 8 minutes to go. The game was over after that because the defense was gassed, Matthews was injured, and they were down 3 players. So the risk aversion runs deep.

[Rutnstrut]

We've had a lot of discussion here about Rodgers's risk/reward calculations and how he might need to tilt those a bit in situations like last night. Once the Broncos kept scoring in the 3rd quarter, it became clear that he needed to push it some more.

But then, they punted down 3 scores with around 8 minutes to go. The game was over after that because the defense was gassed, Matthews was injured, and they were down 3 players. So the risk aversion runs deep.

I stated in the game thread that it was apparent they were throwing in the towel at that point, and I really think they were. This team isn't built for adversity, they are built for everything to pretty much go their way.

[pbmax]

Its pressure up the gut that made the difference. Rodgers has collected MVP's while avoiding edge rushers as they swoop past Marshmallow and Barclay. But pressure up the middle does two things. It makes it harder to get a window to see and to throw. Rodgers is 6' 2" and guys in his face matter more that they would to Manning or BenR.

The other thing it does is make escapes from edge pressure harder. When you get both, and the Broncos did, its not good.

Yoop and Maxie may be right that he had more time in the first half, but it looked a LOT like last year's early cold stretch when the no huddle was yielding net negative results. Problem is that M3 is not accepting that explanation at his PC right now. So its going to be a couple of weeks before it gets worked out.

[Pugger]

I stated in the game thread that it was apparent they were throwing in the towel at that point, and I really think they were. This team isn't built for adversity, they are built for everything to pretty much go their way.

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When they got down by 3 scores and only 8 minutes to go in the game they knew deep down they were screwed. You could see the disappointment and disbelief in their faces. I'm not gonna tar and feather them for that. Those are human beings inside those helmets. It can't be any fun to be on the receiving end of a beat down like that. Every team experiences this at one time or another. I pray we don't have a game like that again in a while. Vic on packers.com said he didn't think any team could have come into that game and that stadium last night and won. We went into the game expecting a regular season game and the donkeys came in like it was a playoff game. We'll soon see if that was their peak and if we can brush this aside and direct all of our efforts on Carolina. Dwelling on that disaster won't do us any good come Sunday.

[pbmax]

JS Comments @JSComments 56m56 minutes ago
It's a free country you don't own this board and I'll vent how I want to vent. Don't read my posts if you don't want to.

Ah the good old days.

[Pugger]

Its pressure up the gut that made the difference. Rodgers has collected MVP's while avoiding edge rushers as they swoop past Marshmallow and Barclay. But pressure up the middle does two things. It makes it harder to get a window to see and to throw. Rodgers is 6' 2" and guys in his face matter more that they would to Manning or BenR.

The other thing it does is make escapes from edge pressure harder. When you get both, and the Broncos did, its not good.

Yoop and Maxie may be right that he had more time in the first half, but it looked a LOT like last year's early cold stretch when the no huddle was yielding net negative results. Problem is that M3 is not accepting that explanation at his PC right now. So its going to be a couple of weeks before it gets worked out.

Last night was not one of Josh Sitton's finest hours. He messed up quite a few times by whiffing on blocks. That was uncharacteristic of him.