More Banjo: Week7 @ Broncos

[Pugger]

No. But I really don't think stubby is capable of coming up with any creative changes on offense either. Scratch that, I do believe he is entirely capable of correcting things. I just think he refuses to admit there is a flaw in the way he is presently doing it and that he needs to adjust. That would be way to big of a blow to his fragile ego. The direction this team is going is downhill fast. The only things that will save them. Rodgers playing off the charts good, which will mean taking some chances. The running game catching fire. I would say firing Capers, but that would get them no where this season. They are going to fiddle fuck around at other aspects of the game until they realise their stud QB is an old man. Odds of finding another pro bowl qb to take over after Rodgers, are not real good.

If what you are suggesting is true this is gonna be a long season from here on out. It will be a bloody miracle if we make the playoffs and if we'll do we'll be one and done anyway with the way we're playing. Maybe we should look for a new GM and set of coaches this offseason. After a while management can become stale and predictable. Perhaps we need new blood and a new direction. We do have Hundley in the wings so we should groom him for a couple of years and then trade Rodgers before his skills are gone and restock the roster for the new coaching staff.

[pbmax]

No. But I really don't think stubby is capable of coming up with any creative changes on offense either. Scratch that, I do believe he is entirely capable of correcting things. I just think he refuses to admit there is a flaw in the way he is presently doing it and that he needs to adjust. That would be way to big of a blow to his fragile ego. The direction this team is going is downhill fast. The only things that will save them. Rodgers playing off the charts good, which will mean taking some chances. The running game catching fire. I would say firing Capers, but that would get them no where this season. They are going to fiddle fuck around at other aspects of the game until they realise their stud QB is an old man. Odds of finding another pro bowl qb to take over after Rodgers, are not real good.

You cannot succeed as an NFL coach for this long (he made Aaron Brooks functional) without being more than capable.

The Patriots went 8 years between offensive juggernauts (2007-2015), the Packers went 3 (2011 -2014).

Yooper mentioned this before but we have covered this many times. Stubby (as Rand and Maxie and red have pointed out repeatedly) sticks to his plan well after others have bailed. But this is not a character flaw. He doesn't panic when the world panics and he plays the long game. We should have known he was not going to retool the approach after a bye week, he was going to attempt to address the issues with the current plan. He would rather ride the scheme to a failure point than introduce change after change after change, making it impossible to evaluate where you are.

You can make the rhetorical point that riding a plan to failure is no way to coach, but be ready to be reminded of the playoff streak.

I bet he does this for one more week. If it still doesn't work, then just when you are about to lose hope and root for the Decatur Staleys, he will alter the approach and suddenly you will beat the Cowboys at home in a game you were a home underdog like 2009.

[mraynrand]

^^^ All true PB - but still surprised there were no wrinkles after the bye. Those guys had to be watching the film of Denver and had to know what was coming. Maybe they were just surprised to get beat, to a man, at almost every position on almost every play.

[mraynrand]

Also, looking at the schedule, I'm surprised stubby didn't pull some stunt, like going out to practice a week early in the higher altitude. Pull the team together, get acclimated, and avoid McGinn and Cohen, those prickly bastards!

[mr_blonde]

Short, but pretty good breakdown of the Packers vs Broncos.
Lots and lots to fix .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPRZ-w45-9E

[Maxie the Taxi]

Short, but pretty good breakdown of the Packers vs Broncos.
Lots and lots to fix .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPRZ-w45-9E

Great video. Thanks. Everything we talked about here.

[denverYooper]

I'm talking about much earlier, like a crossing route to Adams that had a chance.

Still, Denver had the Packers number. I dunno if risking more woulda helped. Maybe get a couple of interceptions earlier and ice the game before Clay got hurt.

There was another crosser that had Cobb wide open with a lot of grass in front of him (tho Denver's D is probably fast enough to get the hobbled Cobb on the ground before he could take it to the house). It was another option on a sideline throw to Richard Rodgers on the early in the game. I'm sure Rodgers saw a pretty safe throw for the first down, so I doubt he looked toward Cobb. That particular play was still a good play, but had he seen Cobb out of the corner of his eye, they might have scored before the Broncos.

I dunno if that kind of thing would have made a difference or not -- games being an entire collection of plays -- but it might have changed the early tenor of the game.

[pbmax]

So to beat the Broncos single safety look, the Packer need to throw deep. As demonstration on next play, 2 Deep Safeties shows up on 3rd and 17 (second play of the breakdown). James Jones is open if Rodgers throws the ball toward the middle of the field directly at the safety that the reviewer would like you to ignore because he really isn't paying attention to Jones.

There are a couple of things to consider here. Down and distance matter. You are not often able to throw deep on 3rd and 17 because the defense expects it. Why do the Packers throw deep on 2nd and 1 so much? Defense has a single safety back and doesn't expect it.

Meanwhile in the pocket, a pass rusher moves directly into Rodgers lap, who ultimately obstructed the pass lane enough that the throw to Jones was late and off line.

Third point to consider, why is Jones breaking his route inside versus Cover 2? He has two receivers coming into the middle of the field on other routes. Part of the success of this play is to make that safety commit up in the middle of the field to free Jones OR get that safety to back up and free up the middle of the field. Jones on an inside leverage makes his job easier. Less room to throw, especially less room to throw earlier in the route, when Rodgers has a clean pocket.

M3 in his PC today said that there was not one position group responsible for poor O play in this game. That second play of the breakdown shows all 3 phases failing. Once Jones chose to move inside, he should have thrown to Rodgers short of the first down and prayed RichRod could break a tackle.

[pbmax]

I'm afraid based on these comments, McCarthy and his staff are never going to get it .....
As the article below highlights, adjustments can easily be made to get the offense moving again ....

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/11/02/a...oss-nfl-week-8

Stubby appears to be experiencing some denial. Good article find:



I really thought we'd see some of this stuff after the bye. This year's total lack of bye week improvement was shocking. The absent defense on D. Thomas, the poor run defense, and the crap offense game plan were glaring.

I agree with those critiques. They were the same ones issued when the offense stalled early last year under the full tilt no huddle starting in the Seattle game. Everyone was remarking how static the receivers were and easily covered early in man. It took weeks to shake off his original plan. They get it, but they want to believe there is another way.

But M3 not only didn't change it up at the bye, it doesn't sound like he is going to do it this week. Second week in a row he has talked about 50 offensive plays or less in a game. Which apparently weren't enough to get to all the things they planned to do.

Its going to be Week 10 or getting caught by the Vikings to shake it up again.

[Maxie the Taxi]

pb, pay attention....WE CALL HIM STUBBY FOR A REASON!

[pbmax]

Two things to put this thread to bed for the week:

1. Not enough attention has been paid to the O line, which despite being intact is having trouble pass and run blocking. That ain't good.

2. Receivers: forget about getting open, does anyone else remember being surprised how often they came to a near complete stop on a route mid-play versus man coverage? Its one thing to sit in a zone, quite another to stop the route because the QB is looking elsewhere.

[denverYooper]

Brandon Stokely filled in on the drivetime show today and had some interesting comments about the game. He mentioned the Broncos had added some new route combos and started using their TEs a little differently after the bye. He also pointed out that Demarious Thomas was running some new route variations that he hadn't seen this year.