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  • #1

    5 minute stretch that changed the game

    I think the two defenses defined the outcome early:

    13:42 Q2 - Packers leading 7-3, with momentum from having scored a TD on their last possession. They have Carolina in third down, 16 yards to go at the Carolina 26 yard line. A stop means good field position for the Packer offense, and a chance to build a lead early in the game. The defense gives up a 59 yard play, Carolina goes on to score and takes the lead at 10-7.

    10:58 Q2 - Carolina leading 10-7 and after their kickoff they have the Packers in third down, 17 yards to go at the Packers 10 yard line. They hold, give their offense great field position and at 8:59 Carolina has built their lead to 17-7.

    Except for 16 yards of field position, both teams had identical situations. GB had a 4 point lead, momentum on their side from a lead-taking score, Carolina in 3rd and 16, with a chance to maybe go up by 11. Just a few minute later, Carolina had a 3 point lead, momentum on their side from a lead-taking score, GB in 3rd and 17, with a chance to maybe go up by 10. Green Bay's defense let Carolina off the hook. Carolina's defense did not let Green Bay off the hook. The potential for a 14-3 Packer lead turned into a 17-7 Carolina lead in less than 5 minutes of game time.
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  • #2
    What really killed us IMO was zero pass rush on Newton. You can't give average NFL QBs like him time to pick you apart or he'll kill you. They got several big plays that were the difference in the game.

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    • #3
      The 59 yarder on 3rd just destroyed the spirit of the defense. It was basically over at that point. What the hell did Dom have called? I remember seeing a three man rush?
      C.H.U.D.

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      • #4
        Every time they play zone I am worried that the ILBs will end up in the wrong place. On that throw, there was NO ONE underneath the receiver. Only Dix in back.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
          Every time they play zone I am worried that the ILBs will end up in the wrong place. On that throw, there was NO ONE underneath the receiver. Only Dix in back.
          Ya, he was so wide open that even Cam Newton didn't miss him!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pbmax View Post
            Every time they play zone I am worried that the ILBs will end up in the wrong place. On that throw, there was NO ONE underneath the receiver. Only Dix in back.
            Well, that was one play Dix got wrong. He was supposed to be the deep safety, and was up looking for a TE or something over the underneath middle. Isn't that supposed to be Burnett territory? Randall had good coverage, but no help. I knew that bastard Funchess would come back to bite us. He was the offensive guy I wanted the Packers to draft (Finley II, LOL). Oh well, you can't have them all.

            Maybe that poor coverage by Dix is where all the sideline crap got started. Maybe someone told him to get his head on straight or something to that effect, with more expletives.
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
              Well, that was one play Dix got wrong. He was supposed to be the deep safety, and was up looking for a TE or something over the underneath middle. Isn't that supposed to be Burnett territory? Randall had good coverage, but no help. I knew that bastard Funchess would come back to bite us. He was the offensive guy I wanted the Packers to draft (Finley II, LOL). Oh well, you can't have them all.

              Maybe that poor coverage by Dix is where all the sideline crap got started. Maybe someone told him to get his head on straight or something to that effect, with more expletives.
              He struggled in the game, but I'm not sure he made the wrong read on that play. Randall had great coverage on Funchess, and Olsen is a stud and the guy that Cam usually throws to in that situation. Funchess just made a good play.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                Well, that was one play Dix got wrong. He was supposed to be the deep safety, and was up looking for a TE or something over the underneath middle. Isn't that supposed to be Burnett territory? Randall had good coverage, but no help. I knew that bastard Funchess would come back to bite us. He was the offensive guy I wanted the Packers to draft (Finley II, LOL). Oh well, you can't have them all.

                Maybe that poor coverage by Dix is where all the sideline crap got started. Maybe someone told him to get his head on straight or something to that effect, with more expletives.

                Fungus did drop a couple too...he could be Finley II.
                One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                  He struggled in the game, but I'm not sure he made the wrong read on that play. Randall had great coverage on Funchess, and Olsen is a stud and the guy that Cam usually throws to in that situation. Funchess just made a good play.
                  yeah, it's a funny play, because really, Randall had great coverage I thought. But I wondered whether Dix shouldn't have been back with Burnett up. I could be wrong, especially since I think Aikman was making the same point while I was screaming and yelling about the completed pass!
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Wait, isn't this the 50+ yard play where the guy was WIDE open? With only Dix anywhere near him?

                    I also remember two slants that Randall was on but couldn't break up.

                    #anklebiter
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, the first (and killer) 50 yard pass on 3rd-and-16 was a completely blown coverage with Crotchety running wide open over the middle. HHCD was playing deep center, about 60 yards off the LOS (maybe expecting a quick kick from Randall Cunningham?). Hard to tell who was supposed to be covering the receiver because there was nobody within a mile of him.

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                      • #12
                        You know it was a bad game when you can't be sure which of 3 terrible pass plays was the back breaker.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                          Yeah, the first (and killer) 50 yard pass on 3rd-and-16 was a completely blown coverage with Crotchety running wide open over the middle. HHCD was playing deep center, about 60 yards off the LOS (maybe expecting a quick kick from Randall Cunningham?). Hard to tell who was supposed to be covering the receiver because there was nobody within a mile of him.
                          Oh, I was talking about the deep ball to Funchess.
                          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                          • #14
                            There are never supposed to be excuses, but there are always reasons. Before and during the game, the DB depth was challenged with injury concerns. The Packers were relying on their rookie first rounder in Randall, were missing starter in Shields and complimentary piece in Rollins, and were forced to play late round development guy from last year, Goodson. Add to that the Packers pass rush has disappeared, which puts even more of a challenge on the coverage units. Whatever kind of in-game adjustments were necessary to produce more pass rush may have staved off these few really bad moments of big plays and flipped the script on the game. We still had the players who were helping produce a pass rush earlier. You've got to help out the coverage units more. We need to get the band back together and find a pass rush or there are going to be more big plays given up.
                            "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
                              There are never supposed to be excuses, but there are always reasons. Before and during the game, the DB depth was challenged with injury concerns. The Packers were relying on their rookie first rounder in Randall, were missing starter in Shields and complimentary piece in Rollins, and were forced to play late round development guy from last year, Goodson. Add to that the Packers pass rush has disappeared, which puts even more of a challenge on the coverage units. Whatever kind of in-game adjustments were necessary to produce more pass rush may have staved off these few really bad moments of big plays and flipped the script on the game. We still had the players who were helping produce a pass rush earlier. You've got to help out the coverage units more. We need to get the band back together and find a pass rush or there are going to be more big plays given up.
                              When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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