Bob Sanders rescued from drowning

[Joemailman]

Re: Sanders

All I know is if Sanders believes he's gonna get pressure with this front 4, he's looney tunes. They did very little blitzing in the pre-season which I say is a fatal mistake.

Sanders played a very vanilla defense in the pre-season. I think you will see more blitzing in the regular season. Just one more reason why people shouldn't get too bent out of shape by what happens in the pre-season.

[woodbuck27]

Buck, get a hold of yourself. This is no time to give up. Not with the season opener around the corner. This is the game they've been working toward. The players and the coaches. If it is bad, there will be plenty of blame for everyone, but it may turn out better than you expect. There's plenty of reason for hope. Think of Ruvell, Jon Ryan. (when's the last time we had a punt go 69 yards, huh? Brett's leading the team. Chin up. Stand proud Packer Fan!!

MJ:

Todays game nor the last preseason loss... don't add to any doom I feel as a fan of a TEAM /Franchise I've dedicated 4 and a half decades to as fan.

Living as a fan on a Forum like this one, and studying every move as I do takes me to a different place as Packer fan. I am experienced in alot that's a double edged sword. I hate alot that I see going on. It drives me batty for maybe a day -two but I always rally.

Never believe that losing a DAM football game, ever takes this Packer fan down. I hate what I see happening to good Packers like GREEN,FAVRE DRIVER, BUBBA and HENDERSON. These are my Packers.

I don't want their outstanding PRO work ethics compromised by stupidity.

[MJZiggy]

Well, GREEN scored a TD today without putting himself or his recovery in harm's way.
FAVRE connected on an 89-yard pass and got out healthy as well.
DRIVER has lit up the field all preseason.
HENDERSON is rehabbing so well he'll be back for Chicago.
BUBBA is doing fine.

I believe their work ethics are the last thing you need to worry about. Besides, we're talking about Sanders. He runs the Defense. These guys are all on offense...

[Brainerd]

TT didn't choose this staff. He chose M3 who chose this staff. I believe Sanders (and I KNOW you'll correct me if I'm wrong) was brought in, or at least strongly recommended by Bates and was not M3's first choice. His first choice is now sunning himself someplace on the Packers payroll because he wanted to be HC. He took his ball(s) and went home. Sanders was brought in for one reason: he is the closest thing to continuity they could come up with. You can't really call for a coaching change right now. At least let the poor guy have one game that means something. Then call for his replacement for all the good it will do you.

Well said. People are ready to bounce Bob Sanders because of four absolutely meaningless preseason games in which teams do very little scheming and game planning.

People are also ready to bounce players for the same reason. Some of us have simply chosen to support proven players over unproven coaches. To support proven players who year after year have performed well. Proven players who are told something new and different every year because the Packers can't find decent coaches. Especially a decent DC.

Almost every defensive vet GB has released or has chosen not to sign has found a home with another team. Its the players fault right?

Nick Barnett, who many here want bounced, has never had the same DC since he has been in the league. Not sure about position coaches but I'm sure its probably the same. Does anyone ever ask themselves why?

Can't do anything about it so why have a discussion? Ray Rhodes lasted one season and he was 8-8. If the Packers go 8-8 this year you won't hear a peep out of me concerning the coaches. Anything less that 8-8 and I'll want the DC's head. Too much talent on defense to waste yet another year.

I simply do not want to return to the days of old. The Packers got out of their losing attitude through coaching not with players. The coaching came first and then came the players. Remember that Rison was available one or two seasons prior to 1996. He publicly stated that he didn't want to play for the Packers cause they were losers. Reggie was told not to go to GB for the same reason. There were many others. Now Javon is spewing the same crap again. Rison finally signed with GB in 1996 and was promptly booted after the Superbowl. Holmgren remembered what was said.

What self-respecting FA star would want to play for Sanders? You think Pickett and Woodson came to GB to play for Sanders?

I'm simply amazed that evaluating coaches using the same type of criteria used to evaluate players is thought of as not worthy or held to ridicule. Coaches can be fired too. You'll notice that I'm only calling for the head of the DC as of now. And recent history pretty much backs me up on that call.

[MJZiggy]

Sanders was hired because he worked under Bates. Funny you should bring up Nick Barnett because he was happy to have Sanders as DC. Ray Rhodes was not fired because the fans called for it; he was fired because he was running a girl scout camp instead of a football team. Evidently Pickett and Woodson did come to GB to play for Sanders because he was the DC when they signed on. And other players will follow Reggie's example. If we pay them, they will come.

Remember unproven does NOT equal incapable. Lombardi was unproven once too. I'm kinda glad we took the risk with him. M3 did some really good things in NO, just read his bio on packers.com if you need a reminder. Let's see what he does and like I said before, if he sucks when the games mean something, I'll be right there with you, but at the moment we're being a bit premature.

[Bretsky]

TT didn't choose this staff. He chose M3 who chose this staff. I believe Sanders (and I KNOW you'll correct me if I'm wrong) was brought in, or at least strongly recommended by Bates and was not M3's first choice. His first choice is now sunning himself someplace on the Packers payroll because he wanted to be HC. He took his ball(s) and went home. Sanders was brought in for one reason: he is the closest thing to continuity they could come up with. You can't really call for a coaching change right now. At least let the poor guy have one game that means something. Then call for his replacement for all the good it will do you.

Continuity; if that is the real reason we hired him then I don't like it. I do think that's the best argument for him. I wanted the best/most talented and fiery and innovative coordinator. With all the personnell changes if we didn't hire Bates I'm not sure it mattered that much to keep things similar to last year. I'm giving the guy a chance, but be4 I put on my Packer fan glasses I didn't care for this hire.

[Bretsky]

TT didn't choose this staff. He chose M3 who chose this staff. I believe Sanders (and I KNOW you'll correct me if I'm wrong) was brought in, or at least strongly recommended by Bates and was not M3's first choice. His first choice is now sunning himself someplace on the Packers payroll because he wanted to be HC. He took his ball(s) and went home. Sanders was brought in for one reason: he is the closest thing to continuity they could come up with. You can't really call for a coaching change right now. At least let the poor guy have one game that means something. Then call for his replacement for all the good it will do you.

Well said. People are ready to bounce Bob Sanders because of four absolutely meaningless preseason games in which teams do very little scheming and game planning.

Good points; we have the real season to make our judgments. Rest assured if the poor Bears Offense has their way with us we'll have plenty of time to start throwing darts.

[Brainerd]

Sanders was hired because he worked under Bates. Funny you should bring up Nick Barnett because he was happy to have Sanders as DC.

Fine. I don't buy it. What's he gonna do tell his new boss that he thinks he's incompetent?

Ray Rhodes was not fired because the fans called for it; he was fired because he was running a girl scout camp instead of a football team.

There were very few GB fans in 1999 that weren't calling for his head. Ron Wolf did hear the roar. Regardless, point taken.

Evidently Pickett and Woodson did come to GB to play for Sanders because he was the DC when they signed on. And other players will follow Reggie's example. If we pay them, they will come.

They both came for the money. Time will tell if they also came to play. Either way Sanders had nothing to do with it. Sean Jones once stated that the reason he came to GB was to play with Reggie and to play for Fritz. Reggie talked about Fritz all the time. He respected Fritz. I would like to hear similar words again from a FA about a GB DC.

Remember unproven does NOT equal incapable. Lombardi was unproven once too. I'm kinda glad we took the risk with him. M3 did some really good things in NO, just read his bio on packers.com if you need a reminder. Let's see what he does and like I said before, if he sucks when the games mean something, I'll be right there with you, but at the moment we're being a bit premature.

The previous season, the Giants suffered with a 3-9 record and scored the least number of points in the league. Within three years of Vince's arrival, however, the Giants were a championship team. His leadership channeled the talents of football great Frank Gifford, whom he switched from defense to offense. For each of the five years that Vince coached the Giants, Gifford was nominated as a halfback on the all-pro team and the Giants did not have a losing season.

Lombardi was proven. He won everywhere. M3 isn't proven. No championships during any of M3's tenures. Not even close. He headed the worst offense in the league last year. Besides I'm on the fence with both M3 and Jag right now. I'm willing to let them slide for a year. Sanders is the one who has the most to prove, or disprove. I just don't see why he was hired in the first place. Consistency? Don't buy it.

As you said time will tell. I really want to be wrong about Sanders. The coaching glut in GB has to end some time.

[Bretsky]

I will second the notion that Woodsen came for the $$

And who could blame him. What a great deal for him that was.

[ND72]

[quote="]{ilr]3"]I was really upset when they let Bates go. Just because he was upset that he didnt get the job he wanted you dont let a guy walk away if he is under contract!quote]


donno if this was cleared up, but i read this and has to "correct" the huge mistake written here....

Bates was not let go, he resigned from coaching here. McCarthy wanted him back.