Beefs with Ted Thompson draft choices.

[pbmax]

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I knew when I started this discussion it would up in the toilet. I'm through....

Oh c'mon, you have everyone's attention now. Don't give up on us yet! Fritz and I have more snide remarks!

Having just complained in another thread that short Daniels and Raji offered little in the way of batting passes around, I get what you are driving at.

But a team that holds only to certain specs is going to miss out on good football players. Honey Badger doesn't fit the profile at safety and James Harrison would be terrifying people at a dentist's office. Thompson has said he sometimes needs to be reminded by his staff to just get football players and not worry about the underwear olympics.

The Packers have had trouble getting 3 down D lineman in the draft. There is not doubt about that.

[Zool]

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I knew when I started this discussion it would up in the toilet. I'm through....

NFL people have forgotten more about football than everyone here knows. Thinking you know more than they do is your mistake in this case. You gotta own that.

[ThunderDan]

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I knew when I started this discussion it would up in the toilet. I'm through....

Sure, if two players were exactly the same except height I would take the taller player. But no two players are the same.

If winning the combine was the know all/tell all of the NFL Todd Marinovich, Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf all would have been multiple Pro Bowlers and All Pros.

The other problem is that the players that combine size and athleticism are usually drafted in the top 10 or so spots. Every year you hear that the top X picks are where you want to be and after that there is a drop off in talent. The Packers have only drafted in that position 1 time in the last 10 years.

[Fritz]

Sure, if two players were exactly the same except height I would take the taller player. But no two players are the same.

If winning the combine was the know all/tell all of the NFL Todd Marinovich, Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf all would have been multiple Pro Bowlers and All Pros.

The other problem is that the players that combine size and athleticism are usually drafted in the top 10 or so spots. Every year you hear that the top X picks are where you want to be and after that there is a drop off in talent. The Packers have only drafted in that position 1 time in the last 10 years.

Was it twice? I'm thinking of Hawk and Raji.

[mraynrand]

Was it twice? I'm thinking of Hawk and Raji.

Yep.

My mind was going back to that horrible Hasselbeck trade that moved us up to get Reynolds (#10). That was 2001. And the Horrible Pick of never uninjured Justin Harrell (#16) in 2007. But Hawk and Raji only picks in top 10 last 10.

[ThunderDan]

Was it twice? I'm thinking of Hawk and Raji.

Yep, you were right. Apparently, my mind was trying to forgot that Raji was that high of a pick.

[Striker]

I'm tired of seeing Ted draft small corners, Small average wide receivers, Short defensive lineman, quit trying to convert defensive linemen into outside linebackers with no coverage skills.

I have noticed a pattern of drafting 5:10 db's recently and this has to stop because the rest of the league is trotting out wr's that are 6.4 and taller, you're not giving the db's any kind of chance at being successful.

Darrelle Revis. Vontae Davis. Chris Harris.

I have noticed a pattern of drafting 6 foot wr's when everybody in the league is getting tall wr's which can cause match up problems.

Well, Jordy is their 6'3'' "matchup problem". But he's injured.

A good number of those matchup nightmare taller WRs also are usually mid-high first rounders that aren't around when the Packers pick.

If Ted draft another 6 foot defensive tackle in next year draft I will lose my mind. None of these guys can knock a pass down to save their life.

Please quit trying to make average defensive ends into outside linebackers. No coverage skills. Let's actually draft a real outside linebacker.[/QUOTE]

You won't get as much an argument from me with converting players with speed issues. But, maybe the coordinator could find other ways to disguise these players?

[ThunderDan]

So I just looked at the DL on Packers.com:

Raji - 6'2"
Daniels - 6'0"
Pennel - 6'4"
Guion - 6'4"
Jones - 6'4"
Neal - 6'3"
Perry - 6'3"
Peppers - 6'7"

[Pugger]

Oh c'mon, you have everyone's attention now. Don't give up on us yet! Fritz and I have more snide remarks!

Having just complained in another thread that short Daniels and Raji offered little in the way of batting passes around, I get what you are driving at.

But a team that holds only to certain specs is going to miss out on good football players. Honey Badger doesn't fit the profile at safety and James Harrison would be terrifying people at a dentist's office. Thompson has said he sometimes needs to be reminded by his staff to just get football players and not worry about the underwear olympics.

The Packers have had trouble getting 3 down D lineman in the draft. There is not doubt about that.

And it isn't for lack of trying. Most of these guys just didn't work out.

2005 Montgomery
2006 Jolly
2007 Harrell
2008 J. Thompson
2009 Raji, Wynn
2010 Neal, Wilson
2011 Guy
2012 Worthy, Daniels
2013 Jones, Boyd
2014 Thorton
2015 Ringo

[Patler]

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I knew when I started this discussion it would up in the toilet. I'm through....

The problem is, many of your perceptions are wrong, making the premise of your argument weak For example, you said:

I have noticed a pattern of drafting 6 foot wr's when everybody in the league is getting tall wr's which can cause match up problems.

Going backward in time:
Adams is 6'1", Janus is 6'3", Charles Johnson is 6'2", Kevin Dorsey 6'1", Abbrederis is 6'1", Nelson 6'3", Jones 6'1"

So is the pattern you have noticed Montgomery and Cobb? Or are you still concerned about the guys he drafted 10 years ago, like Jennings? I'll take all three, along with Murphy (6'1") Granted, they haven't been able to get the 6'5" monsters, but how many good ones are available when your average draft position the last 5 drafts is #27.4?


You also wrote:

I have noticed a pattern of drafting 5:10 db's recently and this has to stop because the rest of the league is trotting out wr's that are 6.4 and taller, you're not giving the db's any kind of chance at being successful.

Randall 5'11", Rollins 5'11", Clinton-Dix 6'1", Goodson -5'11", Hyde - 6'0", Hayward - 5'11", McMillian - 5'11", House - 6'0", Burnett - 6'1", Underwood 6'1". None of the monster DBs that some have landed, but all in all, not small either. The point is, NONE hit your stated fact of a pattern for 5'10".

When you make an argument based on facts, but you provide us with incorrect facts, this group will be a bit hard on you.

Many of us would like to see more of the taller type receivers, and one of the talented giants would be a nice target for Rodgers. Some bigger DBs would be nice, too.

But, again, when your average draft slot is #27.4, the talented physical freaks are gone, and you are left with talented but more average size people, or physical freaks who are development projects. TT has taken a smattering of both types.

[bobblehead]

When you make an argument based on facts, but you provide us with incorrect facts, this group will be a bit hard on you.
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Did I mention that I was named after Sir Edmond Hillary?

[pbmax]

Did I mention that I was named after Sir Edmond Hillary?

So is bobblehead an honorific?